Nelson Mandela, terrorist, bomber, murderer
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Come on Eric, you know as well as I do that people hate keeping things in perspective. The People have decided that Mandela is a Pretty Cool Guy - you can't just start disagreeing, especially not if you cite facts. Facts are stupid.
Yeah, you can prove anything with facts!
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
Sorry, but no. The ANC won in the end, so he was a Freedom Fighter battling against an Oppressive and Brutal Regime. If they had lost, then he would have been a Terrorist trying to overthrow the Legitimate Government against the wishes of the People. (Just as the pro-apartheid government claimed when they were still in power.) But they didn't lose - the oppressive regime did. Thankfully.
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Sorry, but no. The ANC won in the end, so he was a Freedom Fighter battling against an Oppressive and Brutal Regime. If they had lost, then he would have been a Terrorist trying to overthrow the Legitimate Government against the wishes of the People. (Just as the pro-apartheid government claimed when they were still in power.) But they didn't lose - the oppressive regime did. Thankfully.
Well said, however he is just being trollish so reason doesn't count.
speramus in juniperus
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
By that definition, George Washington and his cronies[^] were terrorists who should have been hanged for treason.
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Sorry, but no. The ANC won in the end, so he was a Freedom Fighter battling against an Oppressive and Brutal Regime. If they had lost, then he would have been a Terrorist trying to overthrow the Legitimate Government against the wishes of the People. (Just as the pro-apartheid government claimed when they were still in power.) But they didn't lose - the oppressive regime did. Thankfully.
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Well said, however he is just being trollish so reason doesn't count.
speramus in juniperus
The victor writes the history books, thats the point of his post, nothing to do with thr right and wrong of Mandellas life. Anyway, better a troll than a twatter.
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
Erudite_Eric wrote:
So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is.
So lets keep things in perspective eh?One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. For the record, I voted your post as abuse - de mortuis nil nisi bonum, at least today.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
The ANC won in the end
Weren't the U2 who won that fight? :rolleyes:
Veni, vidi, vici.
Yes, but they are still playing "Sunday bloody Sunday" so it doesn't count.
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By that definition, George Washington and his cronies[^] were terrorists who should have been hanged for treason.
========================================================= I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka. =========================================================
The English rebels, for they were English at the time, carried out bombing attacks killing civilians did they?
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is.
So lets keep things in perspective eh?One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. For the record, I voted your post as abuse - de mortuis nil nisi bonum, at least today.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Had to google that bit of Latin, Well said :thumbsup:
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Well said, however he is just being trollish so reason doesn't count.
speramus in juniperus
Even trolls should have respect for the dead.
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Erudite_Eric wrote:
So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is.
So lets keep things in perspective eh?One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. For the record, I voted your post as abuse - de mortuis nil nisi bonum, at least today.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
I am not speaking ill of the dead, merely pointing out the cras hypocrisy of the worlds leaders today. And anyone here who hero worships him. And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
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Yes, but they are still playing "Sunday bloody Sunday" so it doesn't count.
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This is in about as poor a taste as I can think of and does not belong here.
Peter Wasser Art is making something out of nothing and selling it. Frank Zappa
Oh really? So someone dies and the apoplectic fake grief and cynical 'virtue by association' of the worlds leaders despite the gory past of this man does not make you want to puke? Dont talk to me of bad taste.
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Sorry, but no. The ANC won in the end, so he was a Freedom Fighter battling against an Oppressive and Brutal Regime. If they had lost, then he would have been a Terrorist trying to overthrow the Legitimate Government against the wishes of the People. (Just as the pro-apartheid government claimed when they were still in power.) But they didn't lose - the oppressive regime did. Thankfully.
Doesnt matter who won, he was stil a terrorist at a time when soneone else of true nobility fought sucessfully against apartheid without resorting to violence.
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I am not speaking ill of the dead, merely pointing out the cras hypocrisy of the worlds leaders today. And anyone here who hero worships him. And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
Erudite_Eric wrote:
And if you think thats abusive then you are a fool.
Thank you, I'll wear that title with pride. It's abusive because you're merely making an issue out of it due to the emotional point that you don't like to ignore the fact that hero's and saint's do not exist by definition.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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By that definition, George Washington and his cronies[^] were terrorists who should have been hanged for treason.
========================================================= I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka. =========================================================
They were Traitors and should have hanged.
--------------------------------- Obscurum per obscurius. Ad astra per alas porci. Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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Come on Eric, you know as well as I do that people hate keeping things in perspective. The People have decided that Mandela is a Pretty Cool Guy - you can't just start disagreeing, especially not if you cite facts. Facts are stupid.
I find citing facts and citing Wikipedia are two completely different things. They may occasionally be the same but they don't have to. ;) I don't consider Wikipedia to be a proof for anything :)
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In the midst of the global heart rending at hsi death, lets not forget just what he was: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe[^] Umkhonto we Sizwe was set up by Mandella and has been responsible for many deaths and injuries. So yeah, Martin Luther King he isnt, Bin Laden he is. So lets keep things in perspective eh?
