Course Selection? Discrete Mathematics, or Machine Org/Assembler Language?
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Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:
I've taken both. The only thing that stuck with me from discrete math was some of the vector operations. Those came in handy for some game code. The assembly class had us using exposed circuit boards and wiring them for LEDs countdown timers and buzzers. So... it was basically a class to teach bomb building. Of the two I've gotten more use out of the math. Homeland security tends to frown on the other anyway. :rolleyes:
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Assembler language is no rocket science, you can learn it by yourself. Here is an accelerated course: Your processor has registers (int and float), it performs arithmetic & logic instructions (taking two or three operands); operands are in registers or taken from/to memory through simple address computation; memory holds a special area called the stack (lifo); you can "label" the instructions and jump to them, unconditionally or based on the result of the previous instruction (sign, overflow); there are special jumps called "calls" from which you can jump back later.
Solve:
load f0, K[0] // Read coefficient A
load f1, K[1] // Read coefficient B
load f2, K[2] // Read coefficient C
load f3, f1 // Copy B
mul f3, f3 // Square it
mul f2, f0 // Multiply C by A (C overwritten)
mul f2, 4 // 4.A.C
sub f3, f2 // B.B - 4.A.C
jmp neg, Done // No root
push f3 // Push the argument onto the stack
call Sqrt // Call the square root function
pop f3 // Get the return value, Sqrt(B.B - 4.A.C)
sub f3, f1 // - B + Sqrt(D)
mul f0, 2 // 2.A
div f3, f0 // (- B + Sqrt(D)) / 2.A
store X, f3 // Write the root
Done:
ret // Return control to the callerIf you were able to follow that code, you can move on to the Discrete Mathematics course, for which no accelerated version is available. :)
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What kind of university doesn't allow to have both of them? Both are important. Discrete Maths is a must-have for understanding how CPU thinks. And I believe that on an assembler course you would learn not only a language itself, but also how CPU works. Ps: what is a "Machine ORG"?.
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He didn't say he wasn't allowed both, he just said he's taking one or the other.
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What kind of university doesn't allow to have both of them? Both are important. Discrete Maths is a must-have for understanding how CPU thinks. And I believe that on an assembler course you would learn not only a language itself, but also how CPU works. Ps: what is a "Machine ORG"?.
Greetings - Jacek
I am allowed to take both simultaneously, but there are credit limitations. I believe I am limited to 22 credits a semester. I am enrolled in 4 classes, for the fifth spot it's discrete vs assembly. I have my summer classes planned out, and I start grad school in Fall. So, I am allowed to take both, but priorities and time require that I choose one of the two.
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Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:
Advanced mathematical knowledge is always helpful no matter what technical field you go end up in as it will hopefully imprint on you different ways to view and analyze data.
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Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering.
It would help to know what undergraduate program you are currently enrolled in and what you hope to do when you graduate. Based on these three graduate study areas, I would assume that you are currently in a math and/or computer science program and hope to use all that stuff you have been learning in the real world. :) I am not saying that that can not happen, but many engineers will tell you that it is the problem solving skills you have hopefully developed that you will be use the most versus any specific knowledge you may hope to remember. In any case, good luck and study hard. :)
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I believe you are saying, and this is a bit of a hunch/guess given the topic we are discussing. Also please excuse any errors I am semi new to computer science and it's vocabulary. There are low level and high level language, assembly being a very low level/machine level set of instructions. Writing machine level is more time consuming for functionally equivalent algorithms. So, many decades ago people solved this issue by creating higher level language and compilers. So, solved problem is machine/assembler language. I'd say we should worry about solved problems a) so we know our solution is correct b) in the framework of computers so we can better understand the machine (TLDR: understanding solved problems is important so we can understand higher level concepts, arithmatic-> algebra-> calculus-> differential E.Q.) If there is no solution we should worry about it because a problem having no solution simple means we currently do not know how to solve it (granted there is no solution to some philosophical problems, and I believe those shouldn't be worried about) E.G. calculus made "unsolvable" problems solvable. This makes your second question a valuation of progress. If we value knowledge and progress we should worry about the "unsolvable" If we don't care then we shouldn't. I say we should because we can use knowledge to improve living conditions for mankind, and I believe life should be as responsibly pleasurable as possible (a somewhat hedonistic view) So, we should worry about the "unsolvable" because it may be solvable given new technique and approach. I suspect that your first question represents the course on assembly language, and your second question represents discrete mathematics... :-D That was fun, ty for the fun opportunity to think about your questions. SO, how did you mean for them to be interpreted? ALso, Thank you both for your posts
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Advanced mathematical knowledge is always helpful no matter what technical field you go end up in as it will hopefully imprint on you different ways to view and analyze data.
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Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering.
It would help to know what undergraduate program you are currently enrolled in and what you hope to do when you graduate. Based on these three graduate study areas, I would assume that you are currently in a math and/or computer science program and hope to use all that stuff you have been learning in the real world. :) I am not saying that that can not happen, but many engineers will tell you that it is the problem solving skills you have hopefully developed that you will be use the most versus any specific knowledge you may hope to remember. In any case, good luck and study hard. :)
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many engineers will tell you that it is the problem solving skills you have hopefully developed that you will be use the most versus any specific knowledge you may hope to remember
I am one of them. From all what I learned in college, I just use 10% or 15%. The best things I learnt in college are self-teaching and solution-oriented methodologies.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
What really worries me are the times when I stop worrying and feel over-confident in my own technical mastery: for those times are, inevitably, punctuated by disasters in judgement :) Happy New Year !
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I am allowed to take both simultaneously, but there are credit limitations. I believe I am limited to 22 credits a semester. I am enrolled in 4 classes, for the fifth spot it's discrete vs assembly. I have my summer classes planned out, and I start grad school in Fall. So, I am allowed to take both, but priorities and time require that I choose one of the two.
Jon Plotner wrote:
22 credits a semester
That would be a heck of a workload... unless you have some easy classes in the mix.
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TnTinMn wrote:
many engineers will tell you that it is the problem solving skills you have hopefully developed that you will be use the most versus any specific knowledge you may hope to remember
I am one of them. From all what I learned in college, I just use 10% or 15%. The best things I learnt in college are self-teaching and solution-oriented methodologies.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
It really depends on your course of study versus what you actual occupation is. In any case though, you'll never remember everything, I'm constantly having to look back to books or online sources to remember things. I'm a communications/DSP engineer... so I guess I use a lot more of my mathematics than the average college grad.
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What really worries me are the times when I stop worrying and feel over-confident in my own technical mastery: for those times are, inevitably, punctuated by disasters in judgement :) Happy New Year !
“I'm an artist: it's self evident that word implies looking for something all the time without ever finding it in full. It is the opposite of saying : 'I know all about it. I've already found it.' As far as I'm concerned, the word means: 'I am looking. I am hunting for it. I am deeply involved.'” Vincent Van Gogh
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I believe you are saying, and this is a bit of a hunch/guess given the topic we are discussing. Also please excuse any errors I am semi new to computer science and it's vocabulary. There are low level and high level language, assembly being a very low level/machine level set of instructions. Writing machine level is more time consuming for functionally equivalent algorithms. So, many decades ago people solved this issue by creating higher level language and compilers. So, solved problem is machine/assembler language. I'd say we should worry about solved problems a) so we know our solution is correct b) in the framework of computers so we can better understand the machine (TLDR: understanding solved problems is important so we can understand higher level concepts, arithmatic-> algebra-> calculus-> differential E.Q.) If there is no solution we should worry about it because a problem having no solution simple means we currently do not know how to solve it (granted there is no solution to some philosophical problems, and I believe those shouldn't be worried about) E.G. calculus made "unsolvable" problems solvable. This makes your second question a valuation of progress. If we value knowledge and progress we should worry about the "unsolvable" If we don't care then we shouldn't. I say we should because we can use knowledge to improve living conditions for mankind, and I believe life should be as responsibly pleasurable as possible (a somewhat hedonistic view) So, we should worry about the "unsolvable" because it may be solvable given new technique and approach. I suspect that your first question represents the course on assembly language, and your second question represents discrete mathematics... :-D That was fun, ty for the fun opportunity to think about your questions. SO, how did you mean for them to be interpreted? ALso, Thank you both for your posts
Think you mistook @Nelek's signature line for a post directly relating to your original post.
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Jon Plotner wrote:
22 credits a semester
That would be a heck of a workload... unless you have some easy classes in the mix.
I took an average of 21 credits per quarter at the engineering school I went to... for more than 3 years, while working, including summers. This was a school where 75% is a failing grade. Nothing wrong with working your ass off, just brings the crazy out sooner :)
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Think you mistook @Nelek's signature line for a post directly relating to your original post.
Haha your right...
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I took an average of 21 credits per quarter at the engineering school I went to... for more than 3 years, while working, including summers. This was a school where 75% is a failing grade. Nothing wrong with working your ass off, just brings the crazy out sooner :)
Well a semester is pretty much a quarter... I graduated in three years as well, but I wouldn't wish my gray hairs on anyone... :laugh:
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Haha your right...
I guess you just learned about signature lines... ;P :laugh:
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Well a semester is pretty much a quarter... I graduated in three years as well, but I wouldn't wish my gray hairs on anyone... :laugh:
Eh, 4 quarters in a year, only 2.5 semesters or so... Brain did all it could to absorb an entire course in 11 weeks, much less 6 or 7 of them. Didn't graduate in 3 years, took me just over 4 since I changed majors twice in a school where changing programs meant basically starting over. My hair was gray by my sophomore year, by the time I graduated I felt 10 years older :)
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Eh, 4 quarters in a year, only 2.5 semesters or so... Brain did all it could to absorb an entire course in 11 weeks, much less 6 or 7 of them. Didn't graduate in 3 years, took me just over 4 since I changed majors twice in a school where changing programs meant basically starting over. My hair was gray by my sophomore year, by the time I graduated I felt 10 years older :)
There's actually four school semesters in most universities. Spring and Fall are the usual, then there's usually two summer sessions. The summer sessions are condensed.
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Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:
If is *anything* with algebra, take it. All the monoid, groups etc. stuff are invaluable to understand later why you will need an operator < in a container C++ class, why a neutral element could become one day operator +=(HRGN hrgn). But I would go also to the ASM as well, *if* you have a veteran to teach. Morale: go to the music school for theory and spend time with bluesmen as well :D. The result have more chances to be Eric Clapton.
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Machine ORG/Assembler Language VS. Discrete Mathematics I can only take one. Which should it be? Why? I want to take the class that will be most beneficial to me in the long run, and have the greatest impact on my thought processes and understanding/ make me more valuable in the workforce. Currently I have three path pulling at me. Industrial and Systems Engineering, Biomedical Engineering, Computer Science/Software Engineering. I start my masters program in Fall 2014 and want to take take some extra classes before my program starts. Thank you for your advice and help! -Plot:java: Thank you again everyone! Discrete Math it is! :) I love puzzles so I am excited to take the course. Thanks for all your input and great explanations. Much Love, -Plot:java:
Discrete mathematics. Good choice. I touched it quite a bit at college even though my major degree subject was applied maths. All of this was in the mid to late 70s so "computer science" was then heavily dependent on discrete analysis. Funny thing is, I enjoyed the discrete rather more than applied. Then again, it was all down to the tutors I think. :)
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