Cricket: Akhtar Express derailed!

Rohit Sinha

John-theKing wrote: Yes, this year for the first time you are not participating in something called SAARC game because of security concerns but i think the other countries are participating in SAARC and none of them complained anything That's because of the recent increase in terrorist activity and the hostility towards Indians in the general Pakistani public. We cannot take any risk. Other countries teams are feeling safe I guess because their is no such hostility towards them. On the one hand Pakistan talks about peace, but on the other hand they have ISI agents stationed in India, and terrorist activity and cross border infiltration and firing is on the rise. Your leader knows how to play the cards very well, just like Saddam. You seem to be "really informed" about Indian politics. Who are you and where are you from, Mr Anonymous John-theKing? :) Since this thread seems to be going where I think it is going, and since what I think is happening indeed seems to be happening, I will stop replying to you here unless you log in as yourself to answer this post. Listen man. This pseudo nationalism is not going to get you or me anywhere. So let's stop this non sense right now.
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Rohit Sinha

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- Abraham Lincoln

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Rohit Sinha

Imran Farooqui wrote: Pakistani batsmen are not in good form these days. Yes, but that can't be used as an excuse, can it? There is no denying that Pakistan is a very good team. But something has happened to them this world cup and they are not performing up to their full potential. Imran Farooqui wrote: They are practicing with Gilli-Danda these days. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Don't ridicule them much. They are having a bad day and this is the time when they need the support of you people even more. Have you had your lunch? I'm going to have mine. Kadhi and rice, mmm. You live in Pakistan right? Or are you an NRP (non Resident Pakistani)? Sorry I don't know what you call them in Pakistan, in India we call them NRIs. :-D
Regards,

Rohit Sinha

Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
- Abraham Lincoln

The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
- Anonymous

John theKing

Rohit Sinha wrote: We cannot take any risk. Other countries teams are feeling safe I guess because their is no such hostility towards them Pakistan team visited India despite of threats from RSS and VHP. The pith in New Delhi was destroyed just before the first match. In Calcutta, the entire stadium was made emptied when Pakistan was about to win the match. Still Pakistan made tour of India. I never heard anything to this extent happening in Pakistan whenever Indian team visited. Rohit Sinha wrote: you log in as yourself Yes boss, i just made my profile. I am new here. But i think that web master permitted us to make anonymous posts which is not possible in lounge.

Bilal Naveed

Kashif-Al-Hussain wrote: On this wicket if Bangladesh was playing in place of India, the results would have been the same. There was no chance at all for Pakistan to win this one after scoring less than 320. The pitch was not supporting bowlers at all. Sachin, of course is a big asset of India team. No way. If our bowlers had bowled HALF as good as they can they would have made a better fight of it. As for Tendulkar, wow. What form he's in! Shake, McGrath, shake.

Rohit Sinha

John-theKing wrote: Pakistan team visited India despite of threats from RSS and VHP. The pith in New Delhi was destroyed just before the first match. In Calcutta, the entire stadium was made emptied when Pakistan was about to win the match. Still Pakistan made tour of India. I never heard anything to this extent happening in Pakistan whenever Indian team visited. Fine. So we don't want to play with you guys. We are afraid. Afraid of losing to you. Because you guys are so damn good that we are sure we are going to lose. And we have never ever lost to you and don't want to change that at this stage. And we haven't lost to anyone else either. This is why we don't want to play. Not because of terrorism. Not because Sachin and Saurav are under constant threats from terrorists and even in India they have to be accompanied by security guards. Not because so many people in India are killed every day because of terrorists. Not because Pakistan will fire shells at us when it feels like. Not because Pakistan has training camps for terrorists. Not because Pakistan started the Kargil war for no reason. Not because Pakistani agents are spread all over India. Not because they attacked the Parliament about an year ago. Not because terrorists have made the life of people in Kashmir hell. Not because you still have not handed over the 20 terrorists who are hiding in Pakistan, and the Indian government asked Pakistan to hand over to us. Not because every criminal in India can take refuge in Pakistan safely (does D-Company ring a bell? Mumbai bomb blast of 1990?). Not because every Pakistani hates the guts of every Indian. And not even because politicians are fools and will always look at a problem from a political angle, to gain political mileage out of it, and will never try to solve it. No, all this has nothing to do with why we don't play Cricket or anything else with you. This has nothing to do with why we don't want to have anything to do with you till you take a positive step in the direction of curbing terrorism. This is happening because we are afraid of losing a Cricket match. If you really believe that, you need urgent help. John-theKing wrote: Yes boss, i just made my profile. I am new here. But i think that web master permitted us to make anonymous posts which is not possible in lounge. Welcome to CP. :) I'm sure you understand that I didn't mean to say you can not post anonymously here. Of course you can. Chris (the webmaster) ha

Bilal Naveed

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John theKing

Rohit Sinha wrote: We have the same roots in culture, No, not at all. Pakistan is an Islamic state and culture is entirely different from that of India. Rohit Sinha wrote: we speak the same language No, Urdu is national language in Pakistan,, which is dying in India (according to Dilip Kumar) Rohit Sinha wrote: eat similar food, No way, Indian are vegetarians while in Pakistan meat specially cow's meat is common. Thats why your former lady information minister (Shishma Suraj, forbid my spelling mistake) visited her given an exclusive interview on TV saying that Indian are smart because they are vegetarians. Rohit Sinha wrote: There are more Muslims in India than in the whole of Pakistan. I've read somewhere Indian's official census report in which it is said that population of Muslims in India is 11 corores, while on other hand population of Pakistan is 15.5 corores. While it is said that muslim population in India is highest in the world, but census reports saying something else. I am trying to search Indian official census report. I give you link if i can find out. Rohit Sinha wrote: share the same passions. Impossible, entirely different passions, proof is the cricket match yesterday, both nations have entirely different outlook about the outcome of the game.

Paul Watson

Rohit Sinha wrote: Believe it or not Paul, it was one of your posts that inspired me to start working for my beliefs. I was one of those millions and billions who think they can't make a difference, because they are alone, and what can poor me do type. It was one of your posts, long long long back, about the power of the common man, your example of Nelson Mandela, how things will start changing when more and more people stand up for what they believe. Not just one post, but I think many such posts. I think this is the single biggest thing that I got from CP. I think it's time I gave credit where credit is due. So, thank you Paul! And thank you for taking what I said to heart and doing something with it. Made my day Rohit, it makes my rantings worthwhile. So thank you :-D Rohit Sinha wrote: As far as I am concerned, the C in CP is as much about Community as it is about Code Totally agree.

Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africa

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Rohit Sinha

John-theKing wrote: No, not at all. Pakistan is an Islamic state and culture is entirely different from that of India. Yes, Pakistan is an Islamic state, while India is secular. I am not saying that there are no differences. I didn't even say that the culture was the same. I just said that the roots are the same. And many people in India used to live in present day Pakistan and many in Pakistan used to live in present day India before the partition happened. Your president Musharraf is from Agra, U.P., a northern state of India. Many of our politicians, film stars are from Pakistan. Lal Krishna Advani (if I am not wrong), the Raj Kapoor family, etc. John-theKing wrote: No, Urdu is national language in Pakistan,, which is dying in India (according to Dilip Kumar) Yes, but Urdu is one of the officially recognized languages here. It is still taught in many places. Urdu is a necessary language to learn if you want to practise law here. Because most old documents, wills, etc are in Urdu. Besides, I was not talking about the official national language. You guys can also speak and understand Hindi very well. And Hindi has a lot of Urdu words in it. Do you know how Urdu was formed, by the way? It has origins in Arabic, Faarsi, and Hindi. The language evolved because of the difficulty that the common people faced in learning and speaking Arabic and Faarsi. It's a language of the people, the masses. Urdu is becoming less and less common as a spoken language, but we still have a lot of "shayers" around who compose in Urdu, and it is their preferred language. People feel proud if they can use Urdu words, especially difficult ones, in their sentences. It's wrong to say that Urdu is dying. I'd say instead that Urdu and Hindi are slowly becoming one language. John-theKing wrote: No way, Indian are vegetarians while in Pakistan meat specially cow's meat is common. Thats why your former lady information minister (Shishma Suraj, forbid my spelling mistake) visited her given an exclusive interview on TV saying that Indian are smart because they are vegetarians. Indians are both vegetarian and non vegetarian. As for the meat of cow, Muslims in India eat it too, if that's what you are on about. If Sushma Swaraj said people are smart just because they are vegetarians, she's an idiot. But I think all the hardcore vegetarians will say something like that. It has nothing to do with religion, community or nationality.

Rohit Sinha

:-D I really didn't want to get into an argument, believe me. But it upsets me when someone takes an event in isolation and starts ranting. But I'll make every attempt to turn the argument into something useful. Even if one person listens and agrees, I'm OK. :)
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Rohit Sinha

Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
- Abraham Lincoln

The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
- Anonymous

John theKing

Rohit Sinha wrote: We are basically the same, India is for Hindus and Hindu culture is entirely different from muslim culture. These days, many people are struggling to change the official name of India to Hindustan. If you talk about differences then just look at the difference in media. Your film industry is very "bold" and such "boldness" is impossible in Pakistan film industry. Cinema is a part of your culture, which is not in Pakistan. We can't watch India television sitting together with our family because it is immoral in our society whatever shown in your television though that extent is accepted in your society. (Now don't say that my politicians wrote these lines). Your people can't even organize a single big rally against US action in Iraq which is a daily routine in Pakistan. Your general laws (and muslim laws) are entirely different from Pakistan. In Pakistan the punishment of rape is only one and that is "death" which is not in India (including Indian muslim laws) and Pakistan came into being just for implementing Islamic principles. Rohit Sinha wrote: Both the countries are passionate about their Cricket, aren't they? What is different? Difference is that you people are passionate to the extent of madness. Just remind yourself the last tour of WestIndes to India in which mostly in all stadiums, there were incidents. In Pakistan there were incidents but not to that extent. Rohit Sinha wrote: I'd say instead that Urdu and Hindi are slowly becoming one language. End of Urdu Language.

Rohit Sinha

John-theKing wrote: Your people can't even organize a single big rally against US action in Iraq which is a daily routine in Pakistan. Maybe that's because we don't really feel that strongly against the US, eh? As for the other "differences", yes there are bound to be many, mostly because India is secular while Pakistan is an Islamic state. You are coming back with that one. And I'll repeat, differences are no cause for hatred. Write that down, and keep looking at it till it gets inside your thick skull. John-theKing wrote: Difference is that you people are passionate to the extent of madness. Just remind yourself the last tour of WestIndes to India in which mostly in all stadiums, there were incidents. In Pakistan there were incidents but not to that extent. Irrelevant. :| John-theKing wrote: End of Urdu Language. And Hindi too. What is evolving here is a mix of Hindi, Urdu, Punjabi, English, and many other languages. Why does that bother you enough that you keep brining it up? Culture is meant to evolve, otherwise it'll get stale.
Regards,

Rohit Sinha

Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
- Abraham Lincoln

The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going.
- Anonymous