To my American friends

[Kevnar]

I would just like to take this opportunity as a Canadian to apologize for our government. Our Prime Minister is an idiot. There's no doubt about that whatsoever. His public statements recently in terms of the US's plans to disarm Iraq and topple Saddam's regime are nothing short of moronic and abysmally stupid. Please don't take his statements as reflecting the opinions of the Canadian people. We're dealing with a man who is for all intents and purposes a dictator himself. In Canada's party system of government the country is run by the majority party and are supposed to be kept in check by an opposition party. Unfortunately the opposition parties have failed to muster themselves up into any sort of position of relevance in Canadian politcs, and the ruling party, the Liberals, have reigned for the past 12 years without any significant opposition. Jean Chretien as the leader has gotten a pretty big head as a result and fancies himself more of a king than a democratic leader. He runs the country as an autocrat and his party simply follows along like a bunch of lap dogs. Statements such as this[^] come out of Ottawa, our nation's capitol, and I find myself growing more and more embarassed as a Canadian and more and more offended at Chretien's political foolishness, and more afraid of the damage he'll do before he's finished. At times I feel he is actually purposely trying to destroy US/Canadian relations. At times I think he's actually on Saddam's side for some reason. I'm not sure what he possibly thinks he's going to gain by this, but he's an idiot. He just wants to run out the clock on his term, advance his own interests and retire with a big fat tax-payer pension after reducing the country to rubble. Please forgive us, the common Canadian citizens, any offense he causes, supposedly speaking on our behalf. He does not represent us. Sincerely, Kevin Ranville

"You only disagree because you're a moron. If you were a man of intelligence you would see that I'm obviously right." - The General Consensus

[PJ Arends]

Well said Kevin.:rose: Why anyone would vote for those fools is beyond me. Yet they do. I am afraid that once Paul Martin is crowned king everyone will think the fools have changed and will vote them in again. X|

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[Joe Woodbury]

That article gave me a very good laugh. Chretien is a loon. But I doubt he offended a single American. Ironically, since he has a French name, it probably only reinforces the already low opinion of the French rather than any negative views of Canada (except that the Montreal Expos suck.) For more chuckles, check out: http://www.canadian.oddballs.com/main.htm[^]

[ColinDavies]

Our PM is worse than yours. Regardz Colin J Davies

Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

[Russell Morris]

Kevnar wrote: Our Prime Minister is an idiot. Oh, so now you wanna play "who's leader is a bigger dumbass"? Bring it on! ;P:-D -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

[Marc Clifton]

No need to apologize. It seems like most of the leaders in the world are idiots right now. At least you don't have an idiot psychopath, like we do. And that may be the difference between Bush and Hussein. Bush is an idiot AND a psychopath, while Hussein seems to just be a psychopath. He sure knows how to play the UN, and the rest of the world. Shows great intelligence, albeit misapplied. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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[Lost User]

I found no reason why you should apologize. Your leader is not a moron. President George W. Bush and co says that Iraq is a threat to United States of America. If Iraq is an imminent threat to the United States, it need not ask anyone for permission for an attack on Iraq. According to FOX news, USA launched 450 missiles into Iraq during Bill Clinton's presidency. He also went into Bosnia. If my memory serves me correct, that was also not a UN recognized strike. No major nations protested. They wonder why there is so much protest against George W. Bush's Iraq plans. I presonally find flawed arguments. GWB: Iraq is a threat to US. He could give chemical weapons to terrorists. NATO, UN: What makes you say that? Do you have evidence. Rumsfeld: I have no doubt in my mind that he will do that. GWB, Powell: We have evidence. We cannot show you because our sources will be in grave danger. NATO: We will not tell anyone. We are your allies. We need to be sure that you are not pulling it out of a hat. France: We are not convinced. GWB: Ok, [we cannot make a credible case of an imminent threat] he has WMD. There is a UN resolution banning him having these weapons. We will get him with these satellite photos. UN Securty Council: Does he indeed have WMD? We will sent a team of inspectors to find out. Saddam: Last time they spied. We want fair inspections. We want Hans Blix. Colin Powell: err...., well.... ok. Saddam: We have no WMD. Come look. Blix: We cannot account for some weapons, We can't find them either. GWB: He is hiding them in trucks that they drive around Iraq. Powell: We have these pictures also. Blix: We have found Al-Samood missiles have 30 miles longer range Saddam: but, you measured it without payload. Blix: You must destroy them, I insist. GWB: That is just the tip of the ice-berg. Saddam: Missile is not WMD, Chemical, Nuclear and Biological are. We do not have any. Blix: You must destroy these missiles. Saddam: Ok. we have 100. We will detroy 4 now. We are setting a timetable to destroy the rest. Blix: This is "real" disarmament. France: We will veto any resolution authorizing military action. American Conservatives: French suck. We will buy and drain French wine. We will not eat French fries for a day. After that ...well, it is tasty isn't it? Hollywood: We oppose war. FOX news: Well, if you are not with us, you are traitors. You are aiding Saddam. Hollywood: But, we just said we are not convinced about the dangers that Saddam causes. FOX news: But, if you do't agree

[Paul Watson]

Russell Morris wrote: Oh, so now you wanna play "who's leader is a bigger dumbass"? Bring it on! None of you guys can compete with Mugabe. Sam Nojomobannahomophobe of Namibia comes close though.

Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South Africa

Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

[Rob Manderson]

And OUR PM (John Howard) is worse than yours!!! ;) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net

[Eddie Velasquez]

Kevnar wrote: At times I feel he is actually purposely trying to destroy US/France relations. At times I think he's actually on Saddam's side for some reason. I'm not sure what he possibly thinks he's going to gain by this, but he's an idiot. Are you talking about Jacques Chirac?

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[Michael A Barnhart]

Kevnar, No real need to apologize but your concern for our feelings is appreciated. Most of the world leaders have said some pretty stupid things over the past and I expect that to continue. So I will get on my bandwagon and say when they do go write a letter. IMO things have gotten totally out of control and the best (even if it means a threat to the US) is to back off for a while. Pull the troops back and see what happens with the inspectors. I could see the ability of the UN to do anything collapsing <EDIT> if we keep the current path and disagreements that exists now</EDIT>. Now I will say if Saddam goes back to reneging on promises (which I personally do expect), I would expect all of the UN member nations to play a much bigger part than is now happening. But I have enough of a problem with making my own leaders listen to me so that may be to much to ask for:-O. I just finished reading a book “Bush At War” by Bob Woodward ISBN 0-7432-0473-5. It makes Rumsfeld and Cheney look like the ones who predetermined Saddam is guilt of relations to 9/11. I wrote a letter to the White House asking if a staff member could comment on how accurate Bush feels this book is. We will see if I get an answer:-D, but do not wait for it. Take Care :rose: "I will find a new sig someday."

[Jorgen Sigvardsson]

Your PM are all belong to us! -- It's not unusual to be picked up by a klingon woman It's not unusual to have fun with a klingon When I see you kicking me around It's not unusual to see me cry, I wanna die

[Lost User]

John Ashcroft, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice and a few others had submitted a memo to Bill Clinton in 1998 asking him to consider regime change in Iraq. Obviously, it is not a new agenda to the group. If I recall correctly, it was also one of Bush's election campaign items (that Clinton did nothing about Saddam). --- On the lighter side --- When Bush first announced his economic stimulus package, he said something like this. "I plan to remove the unfair double taxation of dividends. 60% of American households own stocks. They will get extra money in their hands. More people will invest in businesses creating jobs for xxx million people over xxx years" When he was saying this, he had that expression of satisfaction, wonder and ecstacy on his face like a school boy who figured out algebra. I still cannot forget that expression. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

[Rob Manderson]

They're all yours!!! ;) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net

[ColinDavies]

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Your PM are all belong to us! You can have them, and if you try to return them we will start a war ! Regardz Colin J Davies

Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

I'm guessing the concept of a 2 hour movie showing two guys eating a meal and talking struck them as 'foreign' Rob Manderson wrote:

[Michael A Barnhart]

Thomas George wrote: Obviously, it is not a new agenda to the group. Agree here, My comment was tying Saddam to 9/11 and using it as justification for action. My personal feelings are yes the world would be better off with Saddam out of power. Now this includes having a meaningful and stable change of governments with the neighboring countries very much in control. I feel that the "War On Terrorism" and Iraq should be considered independently of each other. As for the lighter side: If we were honest I think we could make observations like that of all of our leaders worldwide. The ones we agree with and disagree with. Maybe we could have Laura Bush make all of the speaches :rolleyes: . "I will find a new sig someday."

[Kevnar]

Michael A. Barnhart wrote: the best (even if it means a threat to the US) is to back off for a while. Pull the troops back and see what happens with the inspectors. I could see the ability of the UN to do anything collapsing. Now I will say if Saddam goes back to reneging on promises (which I personally do expect), I would expect all of the UN member nations to play a much bigger part than is now happening. That's probably the best advice I've heard yet on the whole Iraq situation yet. Let's expose Saddam for the BS artist he really is, and still look like good guys in the process, after we attack. Granted it costs millions if not billions to mobilize an army, to keep moving it back and forth just to play games with Saddam seems kind of silly.

"You only disagree because you're a moron. If you were a man of intelligence you would see that I'm obviously right." - The General Consensus

[Kevnar]

I think Saddam's human rights attrocities are grounds enough for attack. All other arguments asside. Yeah, the Bush adminsitration may be exagerating this that and the other thing, but who cares. The common Iraqi citizen needs to be free to live out their lives free from tyranny and oppression. The peaceniks of the world would have you believe that any attacking nation is the bad guy, dead set on slaughtering civilians, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile the Iraqis themselves are praying daily for somebody, anybody to come in and take Saddam out. If we were to tell them the arguments of the peaceniks that hold back the invasion they would probably weep. Saddam's regime is a cancer destroying the country he is supposed to be leading. Whether it's all about oil, as some claim, or not makes no difference. I say it should be done for the sake of the Iraqi people themselves.

"You only disagree because you're a moron. If you were a man of intelligence you would see that I'm obviously right." - The General Consensus

[Bilal Naveed]

Wo. This was probably the longest, original opinion piece ever on this forum.

[Joe Woodbury]

Kevnar wrote: That's probably the best advice I've heard yet on the whole Iraq situation yet. Let's expose Saddam for the BS artist he really is, and still look like good guys in the process, after we attack. I don't think it's worth the Iraqi lives that will cost. Anyone who doesn't already know Saddam is full of it is lying to themselves or is simply dillusional and nothing will change either mind.