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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    I got into Dimensional Flowcharting from the late 70's / early 80's when I was on my first Industrial Training placement from Uni: it was structured as well, and did help with designing a logic flow that didn't resemble spaghetti! It didn't catch on, but I still use it to an extent for "paper" designs.

    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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    Marco Bertschi
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    I'd stick with normal flow diagrams, If I had the choice. Whatever, the teacher sticks with "Flow diagrams end up in spaghetti code, use Nassi-Shneiderman diagrams!".

    Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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      OK, never used one so I don't have a clue of how they work (trying to joke a little before :) ). No nest then, only replacements for your devices...

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      ;)

      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Yesterday was a stupid day: my reading glasses fell apart, and so I had to scrabble round on the carpet looking for a teeny, tiny little screw (without my make-little-things-bigger glasses) until I found it, then it wouldn't go back in without spinning round and round uselessly. OK, trip to the opticians, get 'em fixed. New screw, spinning round and round...Oh oh... Took the nice lady about half an hour to fix 'em, no charge (which was nice) and then found out I am due another eye test (my mother had glaucoma so I have to have annual tests instead of bi-annual). Ok, arrange that for later in the week. Pull out of the parking space to drive home...clunk, clunk, clunk... :wtf: Don't go home. Go to garage. CV joint has gone on the right front. They will order the parts, in today, will fix it tomorrow. Get home, and realize that it's lunchtime Monday and due to the two appointments I didn't know I was going to get, I'm already over a day late for the week... :sigh: Then 1AM, I'm woken by Herself yelling at the smoke detector to shut up. Not, you will note, by the smoke detector, or by Herself dealing with the smoke detector - just by her yelling at it from the comfort of the nice warm bed she is not about to get out of. Get out of nice warm bed. Open smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Open other smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Look at both smoke detectors with torch. Neither have any battery or mains connector. *BEEP*. It's the Carbon Monoxide detector. Locate. Can't find battery. *BEEP* It's screwed together, so lights on, find screwdriver, open. *BEEP* Can't see battery. Get reading glasses, read sticker on *BEEP* inside: "no battery, when it beeps replace whole unit". *BEEP* "Cut this wire to stop beeping". Scissors, scissors...cut wire. Ahhhh.... Back up to now cold bed. Herself snoring away like nothing was happening, myself now wide awake... So I'm now over a day behind schedule, tired, and just a touch elephanted off! How's your week going? Good I hope! :laugh:

        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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        OriginalGriff wrote:

        It's the Carbon Monoxide detector. Locate. Can't find battery.

        Hhmmm... And did you check whether it really was a false alarm ?

        ~RaGE();

        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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        • M Marco Bertschi

          I'd stick with normal flow diagrams, If I had the choice. Whatever, the teacher sticks with "Flow diagrams end up in spaghetti code, use Nassi-Shneiderman diagrams!".

          Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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          I can see what they are saying - "normal" ones do encourage unstructured code. But those aren't particularly well designed either to my mind. But...if you gotta use 'em, you gotta use 'em! :laugh:

          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            I can see what they are saying - "normal" ones do encourage unstructured code. But those aren't particularly well designed either to my mind. But...if you gotta use 'em, you gotta use 'em! :laugh:

            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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            The tool we use is already on Version 98, IIRC, and at least stable. Written in good, old Delphi, directly accessing the Windows API. Oh, and there is no 64 bit version of it. Only a 16 and a 32 bit version. Have a glance[^]

            Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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              OriginalGriff wrote:

              It's the Carbon Monoxide detector. Locate. Can't find battery.

              Hhmmm... And did you check whether it really was a false alarm ?

              ~RaGE();

              I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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              Well, I'm not dead... :laugh:

              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Well, I'm not dead... :laugh:

                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                Rage
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                Well, carbon monoxide is much more insidious, it may not want to kill right away...

                ~RaGE();

                I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb

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                • M Marco Bertschi

                  The tool we use is already on Version 98, IIRC, and at least stable. Written in good, old Delphi, directly accessing the Windows API. Oh, and there is no 64 bit version of it. Only a 16 and a 32 bit version. Have a glance[^]

                  Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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                  Mmmmm! The localization is good as well... :laugh:

                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Yesterday was a stupid day: my reading glasses fell apart, and so I had to scrabble round on the carpet looking for a teeny, tiny little screw (without my make-little-things-bigger glasses) until I found it, then it wouldn't go back in without spinning round and round uselessly. OK, trip to the opticians, get 'em fixed. New screw, spinning round and round...Oh oh... Took the nice lady about half an hour to fix 'em, no charge (which was nice) and then found out I am due another eye test (my mother had glaucoma so I have to have annual tests instead of bi-annual). Ok, arrange that for later in the week. Pull out of the parking space to drive home...clunk, clunk, clunk... :wtf: Don't go home. Go to garage. CV joint has gone on the right front. They will order the parts, in today, will fix it tomorrow. Get home, and realize that it's lunchtime Monday and due to the two appointments I didn't know I was going to get, I'm already over a day late for the week... :sigh: Then 1AM, I'm woken by Herself yelling at the smoke detector to shut up. Not, you will note, by the smoke detector, or by Herself dealing with the smoke detector - just by her yelling at it from the comfort of the nice warm bed she is not about to get out of. Get out of nice warm bed. Open smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Open other smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Look at both smoke detectors with torch. Neither have any battery or mains connector. *BEEP*. It's the Carbon Monoxide detector. Locate. Can't find battery. *BEEP* It's screwed together, so lights on, find screwdriver, open. *BEEP* Can't see battery. Get reading glasses, read sticker on *BEEP* inside: "no battery, when it beeps replace whole unit". *BEEP* "Cut this wire to stop beeping". Scissors, scissors...cut wire. Ahhhh.... Back up to now cold bed. Herself snoring away like nothing was happening, myself now wide awake... So I'm now over a day behind schedule, tired, and just a touch elephanted off! How's your week going? Good I hope! :laugh:

                    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    It's the Carbon Monoxide detector.

                    You are of course going to replace the detector? We'd hate to see you suddenly disappear from CP because you went to sleep and never woke up again because of an inconvenient CO problem.

                    If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                      OriginalGriff wrote:

                      It's the Carbon Monoxide detector.

                      You are of course going to replace the detector? We'd hate to see you suddenly disappear from CP because you went to sleep and never woke up again because of an inconvenient CO problem.

                      If there is one thing more dangerous than getting between a bear and her cubs it's getting between my wife and her chocolate.

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                      Probably - but it's low priority. We got it when we were using the solid fuel burner, but we stopped a few years ago because it was too much hassle (and getting very expensive). At the moment we are on electric storage heaters, which don't produce CO anyway, so it isn't urgent.

                      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Mmmmm! The localization is good as well... :laugh:

                        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                        Marco Bertschi
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                        DEUTSCH is the future world. Hmm, I guess I am not the first one who comes up with this...

                        Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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                        • M Marco Bertschi

                          DEUTSCH is the future world. Hmm, I guess I am not the first one who comes up with this...

                          Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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                          As long as you don't start demanding Lebensraum and start eyeing up my hard drive... :laugh:

                          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            As long as you don't start demanding Lebensraum and start eyeing up my hard drive... :laugh:

                            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                            You talk to a Developer. I am perfectly happy with the little desk I have here.

                            Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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                            • M Marco Bertschi

                              You talk to a Developer. I am perfectly happy with the little desk I have here.

                              Veni, vidi, caecus | Everything summarizes to Assembly code

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                              Ah! The famous Swiss neutrality! :laugh:

                              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                Ah! The famous Swiss neutrality! :laugh:

                                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                We heard what happens to the sheep and decided to stay where we are.

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Yesterday was a stupid day: my reading glasses fell apart, and so I had to scrabble round on the carpet looking for a teeny, tiny little screw (without my make-little-things-bigger glasses) until I found it, then it wouldn't go back in without spinning round and round uselessly. OK, trip to the opticians, get 'em fixed. New screw, spinning round and round...Oh oh... Took the nice lady about half an hour to fix 'em, no charge (which was nice) and then found out I am due another eye test (my mother had glaucoma so I have to have annual tests instead of bi-annual). Ok, arrange that for later in the week. Pull out of the parking space to drive home...clunk, clunk, clunk... :wtf: Don't go home. Go to garage. CV joint has gone on the right front. They will order the parts, in today, will fix it tomorrow. Get home, and realize that it's lunchtime Monday and due to the two appointments I didn't know I was going to get, I'm already over a day late for the week... :sigh: Then 1AM, I'm woken by Herself yelling at the smoke detector to shut up. Not, you will note, by the smoke detector, or by Herself dealing with the smoke detector - just by her yelling at it from the comfort of the nice warm bed she is not about to get out of. Get out of nice warm bed. Open smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Open other smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Look at both smoke detectors with torch. Neither have any battery or mains connector. *BEEP*. It's the Carbon Monoxide detector. Locate. Can't find battery. *BEEP* It's screwed together, so lights on, find screwdriver, open. *BEEP* Can't see battery. Get reading glasses, read sticker on *BEEP* inside: "no battery, when it beeps replace whole unit". *BEEP* "Cut this wire to stop beeping". Scissors, scissors...cut wire. Ahhhh.... Back up to now cold bed. Herself snoring away like nothing was happening, myself now wide awake... So I'm now over a day behind schedule, tired, and just a touch elephanted off! How's your week going? Good I hope! :laugh:

                                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                  Sounds like my life at the moment :)

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Probably - but it's low priority. We got it when we were using the solid fuel burner, but we stopped a few years ago because it was too much hassle (and getting very expensive). At the moment we are on electric storage heaters, which don't produce CO anyway, so it isn't urgent.

                                    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                    Are your oven, water heater, and clothes drier electric too? The gas versions of them can produce CO if broken.

                                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      Yesterday was a stupid day: my reading glasses fell apart, and so I had to scrabble round on the carpet looking for a teeny, tiny little screw (without my make-little-things-bigger glasses) until I found it, then it wouldn't go back in without spinning round and round uselessly. OK, trip to the opticians, get 'em fixed. New screw, spinning round and round...Oh oh... Took the nice lady about half an hour to fix 'em, no charge (which was nice) and then found out I am due another eye test (my mother had glaucoma so I have to have annual tests instead of bi-annual). Ok, arrange that for later in the week. Pull out of the parking space to drive home...clunk, clunk, clunk... :wtf: Don't go home. Go to garage. CV joint has gone on the right front. They will order the parts, in today, will fix it tomorrow. Get home, and realize that it's lunchtime Monday and due to the two appointments I didn't know I was going to get, I'm already over a day late for the week... :sigh: Then 1AM, I'm woken by Herself yelling at the smoke detector to shut up. Not, you will note, by the smoke detector, or by Herself dealing with the smoke detector - just by her yelling at it from the comfort of the nice warm bed she is not about to get out of. Get out of nice warm bed. Open smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Open other smoke detector, remove battery. Back to bed. *BEEP* -yelling- Get out of nice warm bed. Look at both smoke detectors with torch. Neither have any battery or mains connector. *BEEP*. It's the Carbon Monoxide detector. Locate. Can't find battery. *BEEP* It's screwed together, so lights on, find screwdriver, open. *BEEP* Can't see battery. Get reading glasses, read sticker on *BEEP* inside: "no battery, when it beeps replace whole unit". *BEEP* "Cut this wire to stop beeping". Scissors, scissors...cut wire. Ahhhh.... Back up to now cold bed. Herself snoring away like nothing was happening, myself now wide awake... So I'm now over a day behind schedule, tired, and just a touch elephanted off! How's your week going? Good I hope! :laugh:

                                      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                      The only way from here is up right? :) I managed to get 2 articles written and posted but I need to finish another project I started last week and am almost finished with but keep finding excuses to not finish. I've got a Beagle Bone Black coming end of week and if the project is not done by then I'm afraid it will be put off for some time.

                                      VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!

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                                        Are your oven, water heater, and clothes drier electric too? The gas versions of them can produce CO if broken.

                                        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                        Yes - we live on what used to be an island between an canal and a river (the canal is now a road) and there is no mains gas within about a kilometre. We could have bottled gas, but...it'd have to go out the front of the house as there is no rear access due to the river, and that means going through 2 foot thick granite walls which is...um...entertaining (and hideously expensive!)

                                        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                        • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                                          The only way from here is up right? :) I managed to get 2 articles written and posted but I need to finish another project I started last week and am almost finished with but keep finding excuses to not finish. I've got a Beagle Bone Black coming end of week and if the project is not done by then I'm afraid it will be put off for some time.

                                          VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!

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                                          Finish it first! If you don't, it's take twice as long when you do get back to it (and you'll be wondering "why did I do it that way?" if you're anything like me...)

                                          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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