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we do it not because it is easy, but because it is hard

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  • G glennPattonWork3

    Not really, no one wants to be the odd one out. Mind you I'm more a Tesla fan! :-O

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    Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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    now there was a genius, mad as a box of frogs, but still a genius

    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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      now there was a genius, mad as a box of frogs, but still a genius

      You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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      I mean 3 hours sleep, and pigeons? really?

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      • G glennPattonWork3

        I mean 3 hours sleep, and pigeons? really?

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        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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        pigeons that shoot light from thier eyes - how cool is that

        You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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          pigeons that shoot light from thier eyes - how cool is that

          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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          glennPattonWork3
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          very cool, however insane, wasn't there talk of a Tesla movie at one time...

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            edison was con artist, most of what he is credited with he stole or bought the rights to, there are laws nowadays to stop companies like edison succeding

            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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            ZurdoDev
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            It's always amusing to see people want to "change" history. I had a professor who seems to enjoy teaching that everything we learned as children was all wrong because now HE knew the real truth. :)

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            • G glennPattonWork3

              Not really, no one wants to be the odd one out. Mind you I'm more a Tesla fan! :-O

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              glennPattonWork wrote:

              Mind you I'm more a Tesla fan!

              I am too! Think of what he could have done if he had lived a while longer? Mind you he would have had to have a lab in the local nut house. :)

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              • J J Julian

                I was listening to talk radio this morning and the monologue hit a sore point with me. They were talking about the words to songs like "Impossible dream" and "I did it my way". They were talking about making a difference and chasing the impossible dream. This got me to thinking. I realized I've spent the last 25 or so years trying to find a company to work for that was willing to take risks and shoot for the moon. I realize that I haven't been able to find any. I haven't found a company like Edison that was willing to fail numerous times for that chance at one success. Willing to take a chance at shooting the moon, because it is too risky. We have no one that would be willing to try to land on the moon today. And I realized that the reason there is no companies like this anymore, is that they only worry about the bottom line. They no longer care to challenge or make a real difference. Only make more money. Am I wrong here? Are there companies that are willing to take these kind of risks? Maybe I'm just too cynical in my years. -- J Julian

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                Big companies don't take risks, so if you want to be a part of that then here's what you do: Find a start-up or young business to join. They don't have a choice but to take some risks. The benefit of joining a start up is that they are always working on something new, they are taking risks, and it means you can aggressively advance. The down side is that start ups fail, and most don't have a lot of working capital for a while, so you will have to trade job growth/opportunity for pay and benefits. This is why a lot of people don't bother with start ups, its not just the businesses looking at the bottom line, employees worry about their bottom line too. Take it from somebody running a start up, risks are out there, but if you want a business that takes risks, you will have to take a risk with it.

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                • Z ZurdoDev

                  It's always amusing to see people want to "change" history. I had a professor who seems to enjoy teaching that everything we learned as children was all wrong because now HE knew the real truth. :)

                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                  when the history is wrong it should be changed, just because someone could afford to push his version does not make that true, just like the victor in war does not make thier version true

                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                    glennPattonWork wrote:

                    Mind you I'm more a Tesla fan!

                    I am too! Think of what he could have done if he had lived a while longer? Mind you he would have had to have a lab in the local nut house. :)

                    VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!

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                    glennPattonWork3
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                    with rubber tools! Geek hero!! :-D

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                    • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

                      when the history is wrong it should be changed, just because someone could afford to push his version does not make that true, just like the victor in war does not make thier version true

                      You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                      ZurdoDev
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                      Yes, and I agree. But who is to say your (generally speaking) version of the history is right and the other version is wrong? That's the irony that makes me giggle. None of us were there so we can't know everything for sure.

                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                      • J J Julian

                        I was listening to talk radio this morning and the monologue hit a sore point with me. They were talking about the words to songs like "Impossible dream" and "I did it my way". They were talking about making a difference and chasing the impossible dream. This got me to thinking. I realized I've spent the last 25 or so years trying to find a company to work for that was willing to take risks and shoot for the moon. I realize that I haven't been able to find any. I haven't found a company like Edison that was willing to fail numerous times for that chance at one success. Willing to take a chance at shooting the moon, because it is too risky. We have no one that would be willing to try to land on the moon today. And I realized that the reason there is no companies like this anymore, is that they only worry about the bottom line. They no longer care to challenge or make a real difference. Only make more money. Am I wrong here? Are there companies that are willing to take these kind of risks? Maybe I'm just too cynical in my years. -- J Julian

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                        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                        J Julian wrote:

                        We have no one that would be willing to try to land on the moon today.

                        Do you have a place for me? I'm definitely want to do that! But really - I know some companies and even more persons that are Edison kind... The problem is that we do have a global net to exchange info, but not enough global companies...

                        I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

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                        • J J Julian

                          I was listening to talk radio this morning and the monologue hit a sore point with me. They were talking about the words to songs like "Impossible dream" and "I did it my way". They were talking about making a difference and chasing the impossible dream. This got me to thinking. I realized I've spent the last 25 or so years trying to find a company to work for that was willing to take risks and shoot for the moon. I realize that I haven't been able to find any. I haven't found a company like Edison that was willing to fail numerous times for that chance at one success. Willing to take a chance at shooting the moon, because it is too risky. We have no one that would be willing to try to land on the moon today. And I realized that the reason there is no companies like this anymore, is that they only worry about the bottom line. They no longer care to challenge or make a real difference. Only make more money. Am I wrong here? Are there companies that are willing to take these kind of risks? Maybe I'm just too cynical in my years. -- J Julian

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                          Duncan Edwards Jones
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                          Why not be that risk-taking company yourself? (I did it, crashed and burned, but learned...and I think I am better for so doing)

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                          • G glennPattonWork3

                            with rubber tools! Geek hero!! :-D

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                            glennPattonWork wrote:

                            with rubber tools!

                            and Play Doh! :)

                            VS2010/Atmel Studio 6.1 ToDo Manager Extension Relax...We're all crazy it's not a competition!

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                              Why not be that risk-taking company yourself? (I did it, crashed and burned, but learned...and I think I am better for so doing)

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                              J Julian
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                              I know my limitations. I'm not the strategic type of person. I'm a tactician. I'm not much on being able to come up with the ideas, but I can make things happen.

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                                Yes, and I agree. But who is to say your (generally speaking) version of the history is right and the other version is wrong? That's the irony that makes me giggle. None of us were there so we can't know everything for sure.

                                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                If two people in the same car witness an accident on the road in front of them, there will be major differences in what they describe to the police. So what chance do we have with official histories, written by people who weren't even there to see events unfold? :laugh:

                                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                  Yes, and I agree. But who is to say your (generally speaking) version of the history is right and the other version is wrong? That's the irony that makes me giggle. None of us were there so we can't know everything for sure.

                                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                  so we shouldt try? yes we can only go with what is known now but as that is probably more and more importantly more accurate than it was when the history became "history" then it should never be that history is indisputable. and edison has been shown to be a dubious character if not downright dishonest, he certainly wasnt above using violence to make his point (read inforcing patents on items that didnt infringe them) he makes the Apple/Samsung tiff look like a couple of friends having a quiet chat

                                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                    I was listening to talk radio this morning and the monologue hit a sore point with me. They were talking about the words to songs like "Impossible dream" and "I did it my way". They were talking about making a difference and chasing the impossible dream. This got me to thinking. I realized I've spent the last 25 or so years trying to find a company to work for that was willing to take risks and shoot for the moon. I realize that I haven't been able to find any. I haven't found a company like Edison that was willing to fail numerous times for that chance at one success. Willing to take a chance at shooting the moon, because it is too risky. We have no one that would be willing to try to land on the moon today. And I realized that the reason there is no companies like this anymore, is that they only worry about the bottom line. They no longer care to challenge or make a real difference. Only make more money. Am I wrong here? Are there companies that are willing to take these kind of risks? Maybe I'm just too cynical in my years. -- J Julian

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                                    When a company reaches a certain size, it is taken over by accountants: and they know only the cost of everything, and know not the value of anything. Big companies can - and do, sometimes - take risks (even huge risks) but it needs a person of foresight and ambition at the helm to see the potential rather than the outlay. Sadly, there aren't many of those in the top echelons because the accountants weed them out... One of the reasons I prefer small companies - risks are the reason they exist at all!

                                    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                      I was listening to talk radio this morning and the monologue hit a sore point with me. They were talking about the words to songs like "Impossible dream" and "I did it my way". They were talking about making a difference and chasing the impossible dream. This got me to thinking. I realized I've spent the last 25 or so years trying to find a company to work for that was willing to take risks and shoot for the moon. I realize that I haven't been able to find any. I haven't found a company like Edison that was willing to fail numerous times for that chance at one success. Willing to take a chance at shooting the moon, because it is too risky. We have no one that would be willing to try to land on the moon today. And I realized that the reason there is no companies like this anymore, is that they only worry about the bottom line. They no longer care to challenge or make a real difference. Only make more money. Am I wrong here? Are there companies that are willing to take these kind of risks? Maybe I'm just too cynical in my years. -- J Julian

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                                      Keith Barrow
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                                      How about Google?[^] It's had multiple project failures, but can easily absorb them and occasionally comes up trumps with something fantastic. Problem is for you've got to be able to continue despite the failures. I reckon small companies have the flexibility to do this for a small number of projects, and big companies can abosrb the costs, I think the problem lies in the middle?

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                                      I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                        If two people in the same car witness an accident on the road in front of them, there will be major differences in what they describe to the police. So what chance do we have with official histories, written by people who weren't even there to see events unfold? :laugh:

                                        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                                        yes but if you take the two stories, add more evidence gathered post the incident and apply reasoning to the situation you will end up with a better indication of what happened and relying on what one of the main parties said in exclusion of any other point of view is a recipe for diaster (eg if you do that you end up with something like the Japanese version of WW2)

                                        You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                          When a company reaches a certain size, it is taken over by accountants: and they know only the cost of everything, and know not the value of anything. Big companies can - and do, sometimes - take risks (even huge risks) but it needs a person of foresight and ambition at the helm to see the potential rather than the outlay. Sadly, there aren't many of those in the top echelons because the accountants weed them out... One of the reasons I prefer small companies - risks are the reason they exist at all!

                                          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                          Keith Barrow
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                                          +1 on the bean-counters bit, wouldn't blame it solely on accountants, but they do deserve special mention. I've seen companies transition from the small/flexible to the bigger/hidebound and it's never pretty.

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                                          I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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