What is it with these Gay Rights people
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America rules. Deal with it. :cool:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Hahahahahahah! America, rules? So why are you adopting UK accounting methods? Because clearly the British way is best! THe US is an errant child, admitidly a big one, but errant nonetheless, that we tollerate, and try to guide still, educate in the ways of the world infact. Its taking time, but dont forget who is still at the reins. :)
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Hahahahahahah! America, rules? So why are you adopting UK accounting methods? Because clearly the British way is best! THe US is an errant child, admitidly a big one, but errant nonetheless, that we tollerate, and try to guide still, educate in the ways of the world infact. Its taking time, but dont forget who is still at the reins. :)
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Thing is in the wild animals dont chose to be gay or not, they just fuck. Their mates and girls. It is only in the modern worl dwe make a big issue of it, and therefore force people to be one or the other. If truth be known the vast majority of us have a bit of both inside.
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Thing is in the wild animals
But we aren't wild. Just because you think it is normal for animals does not make it normal for humans. If nature were OK with it there wouldn't be AIDS and other STDs. Sure seems like nature has a problem with it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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[check the forum title] yep this is the Soapbox so: I don't get the whole furore over Russia's gay laws. It seems to me the not being allowed to promote gay relationships to minors is a GOOD thing. If a teenager is so inclined then they will find out about their options as far as sexuality are concerned. If they are incapable of locating resources then they are not strongly motivated in the gay direction. And no I'm not homophobic, I don't give a rats arse what someones sexual preferences are just keep it to themselves. I would also like to include religion in the ban but I know I'd be pissing in the wind on that one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
As a straight man with gay friends I have thought about this and the conclusion I came to is: Gay people, like us straight people, generally want to not have to be secretive about their sexual preferences. However in some societies being open about their sexuality can been very dangerous - Iran hangs gay people. So the only way to get change is to publicly get a lot of attention. Just thinking of the UK, it's not a huge deal being gay nowadays(nowhere near what it was in the 80's and before) and as a consequence the gay community does not need to be as vocal because they are seen as part of society. I think that the promoting homosexuality to minors argument is largely a straw man that is being used to justify the anti-gay sentiment in much of Russian society. Most people would not want any form of sex promoted to minors, let alone gay sex in Russia, so using this argument is a cheap way of avoiding the real issue.
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― Christopher Hitchens
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[check the forum title] yep this is the Soapbox so: I don't get the whole furore over Russia's gay laws. It seems to me the not being allowed to promote gay relationships to minors is a GOOD thing. If a teenager is so inclined then they will find out about their options as far as sexuality are concerned. If they are incapable of locating resources then they are not strongly motivated in the gay direction. And no I'm not homophobic, I don't give a rats arse what someones sexual preferences are just keep it to themselves. I would also like to include religion in the ban but I know I'd be pissing in the wind on that one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Promoting gayness to straight teens will not make them more gay. Likewise, promoting straightness to gay teens will not make them straight.
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[check the forum title] yep this is the Soapbox so: I don't get the whole furore over Russia's gay laws. It seems to me the not being allowed to promote gay relationships to minors is a GOOD thing. If a teenager is so inclined then they will find out about their options as far as sexuality are concerned. If they are incapable of locating resources then they are not strongly motivated in the gay direction. And no I'm not homophobic, I don't give a rats arse what someones sexual preferences are just keep it to themselves. I would also like to include religion in the ban but I know I'd be pissing in the wind on that one.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
The Russian law is so loosely worded that it means any information including safety information. As someone who spent 20 years in the closet because of lack of information and piling any homophobic comment on top of the last to suppress every last ounce of self, I really feel for Russian youth. It is a horrible position to be in. Here's a blog post I wrote about 4 years ago: Coming out of the closet[^] In retrospect, that blog post was very diplomatic considering the psychological damage I did to myself through fear of being found out and beaten up, etc. Luckily, I'm now out, and in a loving "civil partnership" (a second-class marriage basically - But Scotland gets fully marriage equality soon. It's passed through parliament, just waiting for it to come into force) and I've not encountered much in the way of homophobia from friends and family (one of my Uncles refers to my husband as "Colin's friend") and I only had to block one "friend" from Facebook. Russia is also turning a blind eye to vigilante attacks against gay people. It doesn't help that they conflate homosexuality (same sex attraction) with paedophilia (kiddie fiddling).
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Thing is in the wild animals
But we aren't wild. Just because you think it is normal for animals does not make it normal for humans. If nature were OK with it there wouldn't be AIDS and other STDs. Sure seems like nature has a problem with it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
If nature were OK with it there wouldn't be AIDS and other STDs. Sure seems like nature has a problem with it.
By that logic: If nature were okay with people living in close proximity to each other there wouldn't be any airborne disease.
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RyanDev wrote:
If nature were OK with it there wouldn't be AIDS and other STDs. Sure seems like nature has a problem with it.
By that logic: If nature were okay with people living in close proximity to each other there wouldn't be any airborne disease.
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Actually I don't have an opinion, nor do I care, the only openly gay friend I have thinks it is a choice.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Perhaps he is bisexual rather than homosexual so he has feelings towards male and female people? For me, it was never a choice. No matter how hard I tried for 20 years to make it a choice so I could be straight, in the end I stopped being in denial and accepted that I was gay.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
In the case of children of abuse, I would say it's neither.
There is no evidence that child abuse causes anyone to become gay.
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Perhaps he is bisexual rather than homosexual so he has feelings towards male and female people? For me, it was never a choice. No matter how hard I tried for 20 years to make it a choice so I could be straight, in the end I stopped being in denial and accepted that I was gay.
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This whole thread has been rather educational, I did not realise the breadth of the Russian reaction and I begin to understand why the Gay Rights group are up in arm. From a very shallow viewpoint the idea of not propagandising to children seems perfectly reasonable. And yes my friend is both so for him it was a choice. I feel sorry for gay people driven by their sensuality, but then I'm hopelessly hetro my self. I hope you and your partner have a good life!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH