Gawd I hate Steam...
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...I bid on a new copy of Duke Nukem Forever on Sunday - got it for £1.29, so I thought I'd install it and have a relaxing afternoon killing things. If I had known (or remembered) that Steam was involved I might not have bothered. Installed, and pretty painlessly for a Steam product, so I'm thinking maybe they have improved since I first met them and developed a grudge. So...I'll run it. Little dialog pops up: "Updating Duke Nukem Forever" - did I ask for this? No. Can I press the "Play" button? No. Is there a "cancel - leave it alone" button? No. And what does the rest say? "Ready to launch in approximately: 2 hours 42 minutes"... So...Steam's still cr@p then? :doh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Why do all People dislike things that were so damn needed earlier? I mean the F***, in my early gaming days i needed to dl the patch from some random site! Now with steam 1 klick and boyakasha i got the update and can get back to Play online. There is at least to pissibility to prevent steam from updating automatically, and updates are made for updating, so why being angry at steam and not the developer who keeps spamming updates?
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...I bid on a new copy of Duke Nukem Forever on Sunday - got it for £1.29, so I thought I'd install it and have a relaxing afternoon killing things. If I had known (or remembered) that Steam was involved I might not have bothered. Installed, and pretty painlessly for a Steam product, so I'm thinking maybe they have improved since I first met them and developed a grudge. So...I'll run it. Little dialog pops up: "Updating Duke Nukem Forever" - did I ask for this? No. Can I press the "Play" button? No. Is there a "cancel - leave it alone" button? No. And what does the rest say? "Ready to launch in approximately: 2 hours 42 minutes"... So...Steam's still cr@p then? :doh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Sounds like you were getting steams version of Duke. The last update for Duke had to be 15 years ago or longer. I have found some steam games don't require steam. You just need to play with it and see. I do know that Duke uses Dosbox under Steam so you might be able to cut the umbilical.
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
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Sounds like you were getting steams version of Duke. The last update for Duke had to be 15 years ago or longer. I have found some steam games don't require steam. You just need to play with it and see. I do know that Duke uses Dosbox under Steam so you might be able to cut the umbilical.
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
Dude? Am i wrong now or is it you? Duke Nukem Forever is the latest one that was released at 2012/13? dunno exactly Edit: was 2011 :) just wikipediad it
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Dude? Am i wrong now or is it you? Duke Nukem Forever is the latest one that was released at 2012/13? dunno exactly Edit: was 2011 :) just wikipediad it
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Why do all People dislike things that were so damn needed earlier? I mean the F***, in my early gaming days i needed to dl the patch from some random site! Now with steam 1 klick and boyakasha i got the update and can get back to Play online. There is at least to pissibility to prevent steam from updating automatically, and updates are made for updating, so why being angry at steam and not the developer who keeps spamming updates?
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In my early gaming days (well, PC ones - mainframe games don't count) we didn't have the opportunity to download anything - the internet didn't really exist. What we did have to do has hand tune AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS for each game, trying to squeeze out enough upper memory to fit in the mouse driver AND the soundcard. Do I need EMM386 or HIMEM? If I use the logitech V2.112 mouse driver I can save 104 bytes, but then I don't get the middle mouse button... It's not the updates I complain about - it's the whole way Steam decides what happens, and never, ever give you any choice. I first met it with Half Life when I still had 56K dial up - and the first, last and only thing it ever wanted to do was update Steam, never mind the game. Since it never managed to update itself without dropping the modem connection at least once and having to start over, I never got to play the game on my PC (though it worked fine on my XBox 360 when I bought one) and I developed a loathing of Steam, for getting in the damn way all the time! I see it hasn't improved on that front. I agree, licensing is needed, piracy must be controlled, but it should be in a way that is to the benefit of the legitimate consumer, not hassle and pain and assuming we are all thieves! :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I stand corrected. HUH who'd a thunk it. :laugh:
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
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...I bid on a new copy of Duke Nukem Forever on Sunday - got it for £1.29, so I thought I'd install it and have a relaxing afternoon killing things. If I had known (or remembered) that Steam was involved I might not have bothered. Installed, and pretty painlessly for a Steam product, so I'm thinking maybe they have improved since I first met them and developed a grudge. So...I'll run it. Little dialog pops up: "Updating Duke Nukem Forever" - did I ask for this? No. Can I press the "Play" button? No. Is there a "cancel - leave it alone" button? No. And what does the rest say? "Ready to launch in approximately: 2 hours 42 minutes"... So...Steam's still cr@p then? :doh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Pretty sure you can play if you pause the update, but it's been a while since I've had an update while I was playing as I tend to leave steam running most of the time. It's generally rather nice to have a list of games which were updated and already patched for you, but yeah, patching immediately after install is annoying.
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...I bid on a new copy of Duke Nukem Forever on Sunday - got it for £1.29, so I thought I'd install it and have a relaxing afternoon killing things. If I had known (or remembered) that Steam was involved I might not have bothered. Installed, and pretty painlessly for a Steam product, so I'm thinking maybe they have improved since I first met them and developed a grudge. So...I'll run it. Little dialog pops up: "Updating Duke Nukem Forever" - did I ask for this? No. Can I press the "Play" button? No. Is there a "cancel - leave it alone" button? No. And what does the rest say? "Ready to launch in approximately: 2 hours 42 minutes"... So...Steam's still cr@p then? :doh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
My gripe with it is that for a single steam installation, it installs it for every single user, and auto-starts on windows startup for any user, under your account. No idea how they could get something like this wrong. Of course, you can switch off auto-start, but apparently you have to do it for every individual windows user's account. :doh:
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Sounds like you were getting steams version of Duke. The last update for Duke had to be 15 years ago or longer. I have found some steam games don't require steam. You just need to play with it and see. I do know that Duke uses Dosbox under Steam so you might be able to cut the umbilical.
Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than master of one.
This one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever[^] I have this version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D[^] which works a treat, and I got from GoG: http://www.gog.com/game/duke_nukem_3d_atomic_edition[^] ages ago, when it was on offer. Doesn't use Steam at all. It just works.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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In my early gaming days (well, PC ones - mainframe games don't count) we didn't have the opportunity to download anything - the internet didn't really exist. What we did have to do has hand tune AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS for each game, trying to squeeze out enough upper memory to fit in the mouse driver AND the soundcard. Do I need EMM386 or HIMEM? If I use the logitech V2.112 mouse driver I can save 104 bytes, but then I don't get the middle mouse button... It's not the updates I complain about - it's the whole way Steam decides what happens, and never, ever give you any choice. I first met it with Half Life when I still had 56K dial up - and the first, last and only thing it ever wanted to do was update Steam, never mind the game. Since it never managed to update itself without dropping the modem connection at least once and having to start over, I never got to play the game on my PC (though it worked fine on my XBox 360 when I bought one) and I developed a loathing of Steam, for getting in the damn way all the time! I see it hasn't improved on that front. I agree, licensing is needed, piracy must be controlled, but it should be in a way that is to the benefit of the legitimate consumer, not hassle and pain and assuming we are all thieves! :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Well the first parts of your answer are awesome, but apperantly that was the time i shit my Pants or wasn't even Born :) My early pc-gaming days started 2000 (Computer with Internet) But what i actually wanted to reply to is your problematic with steam, all the time it updates you say? Well, everybody can have his opinion about it, but i never ever had Problems with that. Neither does it update all the time nor does it kill my Internet Connection. Maybe i am just a lucky guy and steam likes me and does what i want, but as others already replied try playing it without steam, cause as it is not a valve game it might work. Steamapps/Common/ there you might find the duke and an .exe to start without steam :)
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...I bid on a new copy of Duke Nukem Forever on Sunday - got it for £1.29, so I thought I'd install it and have a relaxing afternoon killing things. If I had known (or remembered) that Steam was involved I might not have bothered. Installed, and pretty painlessly for a Steam product, so I'm thinking maybe they have improved since I first met them and developed a grudge. So...I'll run it. Little dialog pops up: "Updating Duke Nukem Forever" - did I ask for this? No. Can I press the "Play" button? No. Is there a "cancel - leave it alone" button? No. And what does the rest say? "Ready to launch in approximately: 2 hours 42 minutes"... So...Steam's still cr@p then? :doh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Downloading sucks sometimes, I will agree with that. I bought MW Ghosts the day it came out, only for it to require 8 hours to install... However, I've quite enjoyed Steam. Last summer I was able to get Id/Bethesda's entire history of games at a deep discount for 90 bucks (all dooms, quakes, rage, skyrim, fallout 3, dishonored, etc) I buy a game, I can download it on my PC, then on my tablet and play on whichever I decide painlessly (after the download). I'll hate on anything EA before steam. Recently I've been buying and playing Indie games for between 2-10 dollars. Games that I would not have otherwise found. I can live with that compared to I can no longer install my EA Mirror's Edge because I have updated my computer three times since I have bought it, and it says you have exceeded the limit for installs. Then the whole fiasco with the new Sim City that I skipped altogether.
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...I bid on a new copy of Duke Nukem Forever on Sunday - got it for £1.29, so I thought I'd install it and have a relaxing afternoon killing things. If I had known (or remembered) that Steam was involved I might not have bothered. Installed, and pretty painlessly for a Steam product, so I'm thinking maybe they have improved since I first met them and developed a grudge. So...I'll run it. Little dialog pops up: "Updating Duke Nukem Forever" - did I ask for this? No. Can I press the "Play" button? No. Is there a "cancel - leave it alone" button? No. And what does the rest say? "Ready to launch in approximately: 2 hours 42 minutes"... So...Steam's still cr@p then? :doh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
It seams you need to release the 'steam' - maybe try answer less QA...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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Why do all People dislike things that were so damn needed earlier? I mean the F***, in my early gaming days i needed to dl the patch from some random site! Now with steam 1 klick and boyakasha i got the update and can get back to Play online. There is at least to pissibility to prevent steam from updating automatically, and updates are made for updating, so why being angry at steam and not the developer who keeps spamming updates?
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THIS! "I can get my games wherever I log in, but I have to actually DOWNLOAD THEM!?! DWEEBRAGE!!" And why even be angry at the developer who actually does updates and patches to a released product? Sounds to me like a full bore homer simpson "45 seconds, but I want it NOW!" op.insert(bigboypants);
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This one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_Forever[^] I have this version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_3D[^] which works a treat, and I got from GoG: http://www.gog.com/game/duke_nukem_3d_atomic_edition[^] ages ago, when it was on offer. Doesn't use Steam at all. It just works.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
My dad has the original Duke Nukem 3D disc somewhere. He also has the Atomic Edition disc. They were purchased many years ago at Wal-Mart, and they still work. In fact, I just installed one on my PC the other day and used DOSBox to play it. He also has the original Wolf3D 3.5" floppy, I believe. And the original Doom + Doom 2. And Quake, Quake II and Quake III: Arena. :-D
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
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My dad has the original Duke Nukem 3D disc somewhere. He also has the Atomic Edition disc. They were purchased many years ago at Wal-Mart, and they still work. In fact, I just installed one on my PC the other day and used DOSBox to play it. He also has the original Wolf3D 3.5" floppy, I believe. And the original Doom + Doom 2. And Quake, Quake II and Quake III: Arena. :-D
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
Wolfenstein 3D! I spent some time with that...did you (or your father) ever get to the "Aardwolf" room? I never did get round to calling that phone number! Doom was an expensive game for me to play: I had to upgrade my PC to play Doom2, and then buy a second, identical spec machine for Herself so she would stop complaining that I only beat her in Deathmatch because my computer was better. Then of course she lost that excuse, and stopped playing Deathmatch at all... :sigh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Wolfenstein 3D! I spent some time with that...did you (or your father) ever get to the "Aardwolf" room? I never did get round to calling that phone number! Doom was an expensive game for me to play: I had to upgrade my PC to play Doom2, and then buy a second, identical spec machine for Herself so she would stop complaining that I only beat her in Deathmatch because my computer was better. Then of course she lost that excuse, and stopped playing Deathmatch at all... :sigh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I don't know that we ever got to that room. My father may have, as he spent far more time on it than I did. I was really young then. And my dad has always had PC's closer to high-end, so running the games was never an issue. Until he got a little older and stopped playing. Then he didn't seem to care much that I wanted to play newer games. Haha. But he's expressing interesting in it again lately. But he's no longer able to work, so he spends the majority of his time at home. I suppose he just wants a way to pass the time. I told him I'll install DOSBox for him so he can fire them back up. It'll be his first time in probably 15 years. ;)
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
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I don't know that we ever got to that room. My father may have, as he spent far more time on it than I did. I was really young then. And my dad has always had PC's closer to high-end, so running the games was never an issue. Until he got a little older and stopped playing. Then he didn't seem to care much that I wanted to play newer games. Haha. But he's expressing interesting in it again lately. But he's no longer able to work, so he spends the majority of his time at home. I suppose he just wants a way to pass the time. I told him I'll install DOSBox for him so he can fire them back up. It'll be his first time in probably 15 years. ;)
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
It was a maze of "secret walls" that if you didn't push the wrong one at any time (because it blocked others) you could get through and find this: http://www.vgfacts.com/attachments/full/2/3468.jpg[^] - Only I seem to remember a telephone number in the US to call instead of "Apogee". A quick google say it was Episode 2 Floor 8, and the maze looked like this: http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3781/wolf3de2l8mazemapyi0.png[^] I found it by accident, and died very quickly as the final room with the sign also held a serious bad guy!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
