Does relying on an IDE for development make you a bad programmer?
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No: that's just dumb: it's like saying you are a bad carpenter because you use power tools instead of a saw or hammer. I mean, coding with Notepad might be very macho but it is not going to be very productive unless you have a photographic memory and have read and digested EVERYTHING there is to know about the language you are using.
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
Does relying on an IDE for development make you a bad programmer?
Yes.
Kent Sharkey wrote:
Are you better off coding with Notepad than Visual Studio?
Don't know why would anyone use Notepad for anything. There are perfectly usable text/code editors out there, and of course, there is the Editor[^] for real programmers, although I've heard of people using this crazy thing that some consider an editor[^] as well ;)
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No: that's just dumb: it's like saying you are a bad carpenter because you use power tools instead of a saw or hammer. I mean, coding with Notepad might be very macho but it is not going to be very productive unless you have a photographic memory and have read and digested EVERYTHING there is to know about the language you are using.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
mark merrens wrote:
like saying you are a bad carpenter because you use power tools instead of a saw or hammer
I disagree. Using an IDE can be more like programming a laser-guided 5-axis robot to build a birdhouse. "Use the right tool for the right job." -- Scotty et al
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
Does relying on an IDE for development make you a bad programmer?
No, it makes me a more productive programmer. /ravi
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mark merrens wrote:
like saying you are a bad carpenter because you use power tools instead of a saw or hammer
I disagree. Using an IDE can be more like programming a laser-guided 5-axis robot to build a birdhouse. "Use the right tool for the right job." -- Scotty et al
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What if they're all the "left job"?
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mark merrens wrote:
like saying you are a bad carpenter because you use power tools instead of a saw or hammer
I disagree. Using an IDE can be more like programming a laser-guided 5-axis robot to build a birdhouse. "Use the right tool for the right job." -- Scotty et al
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Using an IDE can be more like programming a laser-guided 5-axis robot to build a birdhouse.
And I bet it would be the best birdhouse ever. The one you build with Notepad will fall down in a couple of days. :-)
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Using an IDE can be more like programming a laser-guided 5-axis robot to build a birdhouse.
And I bet it would be the best birdhouse ever. The one you build with Notepad will fall down in a couple of days. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
Any I build would be condemned by the bird housing department.
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Any I build would be condemned by the bird housing department.
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If you are working on a big project with a GUI, 10 custom libraries, with scores of classes and a hundred methods, you can't program in a text editor. Intellisense is very useful, but sometimes I turn it off, so not to get distracted. I do all my web-stuff in PHP, then notepad can be used, if one uses many separate files, but I rely on Notepad++ to work efficiently with PHP. A good .net programmer should be able to make a WPF application in Notepad, though I've only done so in a classroom setting. Anyone swearing to a simple text editor for professional .net development are wasting a lot of brainpower
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Using an IDE can be more like programming a laser-guided 5-axis robot to build a birdhouse.
And I bet it would be the best birdhouse ever. The one you build with Notepad will fall down in a couple of days. :-)
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures
mark merrens wrote:
And I bet it would be the best birdhouse ever. The one you build with Notepad will fall down in a couple of days. :)
Doesn't that depend where you built it? In Seattle it'll probably be ruined before it's finished; but in Phoenix it could easily last a few months.
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Programmer isn't about the tools (languages too) but about the knowledge of using them... Using better tools (and IDE is better than text editor that better than notepad) is a sign of will to done the job well...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)
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If you're not going to use an IDE then you certainly want to use a text editor that's better than Notepad at the very least!
Kevin
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mark merrens wrote:
And I bet it would be the best birdhouse ever. The one you build with Notepad will fall down in a couple of days. :)
Doesn't that depend where you built it? In Seattle it'll probably be ruined before it's finished; but in Phoenix it could easily last a few months.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Ever seen a birdhouse spontaneously combust? :-D Oh, the birdanity...
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Ever seen a birdhouse spontaneously combust? :-D Oh, the birdanity...
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If it actually got hot enough outside for paper to ignite, I'm certain I'd've seen articles about people fleeing to the southwest to escape the treespam. :-\
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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If it actually got hot enough outside for paper to ignite, I'm certain I'd've seen articles about people fleeing to the southwest to escape the treespam. :-\
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
You mean those nasssty leaveses that poeople in other climes have to rake up? Yeah, I'll remember to include that as another benefit of desert life.
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You mean those nasssty leaveses that poeople in other climes have to rake up? Yeah, I'll remember to include that as another benefit of desert life.
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:laugh: :laugh: No. Tree-spam is delivered by the USPS to your snailmailbox. It consists of catalogs and paper bills you throw away because you shop and pay for things over the internet.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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:laugh: :laugh: No. Tree-spam is delivered by the USPS to your snailmailbox. It consists of catalogs and paper bills you throw away because you shop and pay for things over the internet.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Oh, no escape from that.
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I can also not see the harm in using an IDE. If you're trying to insinuate that having the IDE do checks and "autocomplete" function/variable names and even show you what arguments to use where - is going to adle your brain when learning to program: I can only shake my head. Those things are simply time savers. I would have loved them when I started writing Java code - basically wrote the code on one half of the screen with the html help open on the other half - swapping pages every few seconds. No way in hell I could remember the entire Java API. These days Java's got some fine IDE's, as do most other languages (especially DotNet's C#/VB). :rolleyes: For that matter, if you feel an IDE is being soft ... then you probably feel no-one should be using any libraries either! No DotNet using clauses - you should re-write everything in each CS file (including all the functionality for strings/arrays/integers/reals/etc). If you're doing C++ you're doing it wrong - because it's an object orientation library on top of C. If you're using C, I hope you're not chickening out and making use of the stdlib! Come now, don't be a wuss! Reinvent every single wheel from history. And just to be clear, you should NEVER use any 3rd generation language, even C is to good for you. Actually, why the hell are you allowed to even use ASM? You should be prodding switches to write directly in binary after you've welded the PC into existance from scratch using only a fire started by rubbing 2 sticks together! :wtf:
