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How many restarts does it take to get a Windows Update to work properly

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  • L Lost User

    It would be impossible to do my job if I was not on the domain... Well not impossible but would require more systems and one of them would have to reside on the domain and then I would add a lot of manual steps to my workflow X| In general I am able to avoid IT, but its those days (that actually become weeks) that I have to deal with them that... well :mad: Some of our insanity is in fact for sane reasons. We have to deal with ITAR and EAR.

    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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    I feel your pain. :((

    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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    • Z ZurdoDev

      Save the personal attacks for the soapbox. ;)

      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      :-D

      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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      • C CPallini

        Collin Jasnoch wrote:

        Windows will never work properly.

        However, by this very principle Windows Updates always work properly. So, sorry it was more trickier than you realized.

        Veni, vidi, vici.

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        Lost User
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        You have logically proved that we don't need Windows updates.

        Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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        • L Lost User

          Trick question. Windows will never work properly.

          Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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          Madhava Verma Dantuluri
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          Well, this is the most impossible and answer-less question :)

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          • L Lost User

            Trick question. Windows will never work properly.

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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            SortaCore
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            I bet MS would say something like "Just enough". I always reasoned it depends if more updates are dependent on the to-be-installed updates... I've had to reboot 3 times so far. The worst is when one update fails in the middle due to being dependent on one further down the list, so it removes the rest as well. You may now resume working for up to 4 hours (unless you use Process Explorer to suspend wuauclt.exe ;)) And "Bing Desktop"? Who needs that? That's about as useful as Chrome's new 'new tab' page. :~

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            • L Lost User

              You have logically proved that we don't need Windows updates.

              Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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              James ODonnell
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              You really don't have a grasp of logical reasoning. :rolleyes:

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              • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                That's why I am my own IT dept. I don't even join the domain.

                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                Herbie Mountjoy
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                I particularly hate the updates that always seem to arrive when I need to shut down in a hurry. These usually add 40 minutes or so to the shutdown time.

                I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.

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                • J James ODonnell

                  You really don't have a grasp of logical reasoning. :rolleyes:

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                  Lost User
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                  You're still here. Welcome back.

                  Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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                  • L Lost User

                    Trick question. Windows will never work properly.

                    Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                    RogelioP EX DE HL
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                    Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                    Windows will never work properly.

                    Equates to job security... most of the time it does :rolleyes: -- RP

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                    • L Lost User

                      Trick question. Windows will never work properly.

                      Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                      BotReject
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                      The irony is that I got Windows working really well for the first time ever by reformatting my hard disc and doing a fresh install of Windows XP, and now they are going to discontinue it! Let me add, however, that Ubuntu is a doddle to install. I now run Windows XP and Ubuntu on dual-boot and that's the way I intend to keep it in the near future.

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                        policy issues

                        I bet it's due to third-party software. I work for a company that provides configuration management software for Windows systems part of which is patch management and policy enforcement. Oftentimes that is what is causing the rebooting issues, not Windows directly. Sometimes when the software updates itself, it needs to reboot two or three times, especially when drivers are updated. I've worked to reduce it to 0 or 1 times.

                        Collin Jasnoch wrote:

                        Windows has updates...Widows needs to restart

                        ad nauseum Sometimes when updating a "legacy" OS like WinXP where there are hundreds of updates, some of which are mutually exclusive (meaning they can't be combined with other updates in the same "update session"), what you describe can occur. What your IT dept needs to provide is a windows image with all of these updates already done. "Sysprep[^]" can be your friend.

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                        patbob
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                        Part of it could be the Windows file system is stuck in the 1980's and can't replace files that are currently open. Every time one needs to be updated, it has to copy it to a side location, poke the registry to have the OS replace the file as it boots, then have you reboot. I don't know what happens if you have two updates that want to replace the same locked file :confused:

                        We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                          Part of it could be the Windows file system is stuck in the 1980's and can't replace files that are currently open. Every time one needs to be updated, it has to copy it to a side location, poke the registry to have the OS replace the file as it boots, then have you reboot. I don't know what happens if you have two updates that want to replace the same locked file :confused:

                          We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          patbob wrote:

                          I don't know what happens if you have two updates that want to replace the same locked file

                          The latest version wins. Sometimes updates are mutually exclusive and must be done by themselves, one at a time.

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                          • L Lost User

                            Trick question. Windows will never work properly.

                            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                            RafagaX
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                            It depends on the position of the Moon, Mars and Jupiter; most of the time around 3.

                            CEO at: - Rafaga Systems - Para Facturas - Modern Components for the moment...

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                            • L Lost User

                              Trick question. Windows will never work properly.

                              Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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                              A iman
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                              too many ! :-D :-D :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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