Man arrested for 'peace' T-shirt
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http://www.msnbc.com/local/WNYT/M276307.asp[^] "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Hmmm, I wonder why CNN neglected to mention this? Its a stupid rule, but its private property.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - GandhiJason Henderson wrote: "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Why would anyone think that a shirt that says "Give Peace a Chance" is likely to provoke disturbances? This is the kind of open-ended rule that is turning this nation into a police state: everything is illegal, subject to the discretion of the arresting officers.
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OK - whoever did the colour scheme for that page should stand trial. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Jason Henderson wrote: but its private property. Funny how this changes depending on the incident at hand. A few months back people here were discussing the police in VA arresting people in restaurants before who were sitting at the bar legally drunk. In that argument restaurants were considered public property and therefore the police had the right to arrest because of public drunkeness laws. They are both technically privately owned, but accessible to the public without special permission, so should be defined similarly. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: However, to prove equal and fair treatment, they should also kick out people wearing pro-life, pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-gay, pro republican, pro-democrat, and other similarly reactionary clothing. What if you are gay, republican or democrat? (Yes, there are only three choices ;)) and one of the guards overhear a conversation you have with your friend on the cell phone which may be something which the owner doesn't want you to say at their place. Can they kick you out because of that, or would that be invasion of privacy by the guard? If it is invasion of privacy, then there IS a free speech issue. You can say as much as you want on the phone, but you can't wear a sign saying it. Asymmetric freedom of speech. Is it also possible to refuse people entrance because of ethnicity? Could they kick me out if I decided to wear a jewish outfit? (Hat, black clothing, sideburns, etc) I think it's odd that your government allow the owners of these public places (they do have Welcome signs, hence they must be public, right??) to refuse entrance to certain people based on their own prejudices. I'm ok with the guards removing a person behaving badly, but I don't think wearing a tshirt qualifies as behaving badly unless it's got C4 attached to it. -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine
If you are talking on a phone in a public place, there is no expectation of privacy. Nor is what you wear that is openly visible to the public a question of privacy. If it was, then everyone who looks at you would be invading your privacy. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Jason Henderson wrote: "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Why would anyone think that a shirt that says "Give Peace a Chance" is likely to provoke disturbances? This is the kind of open-ended rule that is turning this nation into a police state: everything is illegal, subject to the discretion of the arresting officers.
Jim A. Johnson wrote: Why would anyone think that a shirt that says "Give Peace a Chance" is likely to provoke disturbances? Maybe they don't want a peace march in their mall? Jim A. Johnson wrote: This is the kind of open-ended rule that is turning this nation into a police state: everything is illegal, subject to the discretion of the arresting officers. I agree.
Jason Henderson
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http://www.msnbc.com/local/WNYT/M276307.asp[^] "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Hmmm, I wonder why CNN neglected to mention this? Its a stupid rule, but its private property.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - GandhiWhat I'd like to know, is if the guy carrying the "9-11" sign was also forced to leave or arrested. Chris Richardson C/C++ Include Finder[^]
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Jason Henderson wrote: "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Why would anyone think that a shirt that says "Give Peace a Chance" is likely to provoke disturbances? This is the kind of open-ended rule that is turning this nation into a police state: everything is illegal, subject to the discretion of the arresting officers.
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>> so get off my back dude, i was no way getting on your back, i think its totaly bogus sorry for the confusing post. i guess i need a element around that last post.
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What I'd like to know, is if the guy carrying the "9-11" sign was also forced to leave or arrested. Chris Richardson C/C++ Include Finder[^]
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What I'd like to know, is if the guy carrying the "9-11" sign was also forced to leave or arrested. Chris Richardson C/C++ Include Finder[^]
If he was not asked to leave, then there would be no reason to arrest him. The silliness here is with the mall. I wish people would leave the police out of it because they were just doing their job. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
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Let's hope so. There's an infinite possiblity of "offensive" content, so it's like any person in the mall could get someone else kicked out just for wearing something they didn't happen to like. Chris Richardson C/C++ Include Finder[^]
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If he was not asked to leave, then there would be no reason to arrest him. The silliness here is with the mall. I wish people would leave the police out of it because they were just doing their job. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Well, I was really wondering whether or not he was asked to leave, since it would seem he was in violation of the mall rules. Then, I was wondering if they did ask him to leave, did he, and if not, was he arrested. I have no complaint against the police arresting the guy, since he was breaking the law, but the mall rules are ridiculous. I replied to Jason above, that there seems to be an infinite possibility of "offensive" content or content that would cause disturbances. Chris Richardson C/C++ Include Finder[^]
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But nobody reads stories "Man arrested for trespassing". It doesn't cater to the stupid. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Of course you can't arrest someone for wearing a T-shirt, there's no law against specific writings. That's typical "law processing": 1) A does something B does not approve of 2) B is looking for an "applicable" law. Trespassing, or causing public .. (how you say in english? like "Stir up") The event shows: Enough people believe a "Give peace a chance" T-Shirt is punishable by law. These are the more dangerous stupidos IMO.
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http://www.msnbc.com/local/WNYT/M276307.asp[^] "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Hmmm, I wonder why CNN neglected to mention this? Its a stupid rule, but its private property.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' And a t-shirt that says "Give peace a chance" is likely to provoke disturbances ??? :confused: :wtf:
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http://www.msnbc.com/local/WNYT/M276307.asp[^] "Signs posted at entrances to the mall say that 'wearing of apparel... likely to provoke disturbances... is prohibited' at the mall. " Hmmm, I wonder why CNN neglected to mention this? Its a stupid rule, but its private property.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - GandhiIf the mall disagreed with it, they shouldn't be allowing it to be sold on their property either. <cynic mode>But then maybe that might hurt profits, no?</cynic mode> Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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Of course you can't arrest someone for wearing a T-shirt, there's no law against specific writings. That's typical "law processing": 1) A does something B does not approve of 2) B is looking for an "applicable" law. Trespassing, or causing public .. (how you say in english? like "Stir up") The event shows: Enough people believe a "Give peace a chance" T-Shirt is punishable by law. These are the more dangerous stupidos IMO.
If you go to war, you will destroy a great country a stoned greek chick to the richest man of the world
sighist | Agile Programming | doxygenThat's the scary thing about it. :~ Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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First off, i hate malls. Stop. Go back, and read the first sentence in this post again, this time while sniffing a rotten potato. Thank you. Sometimes i just can't adequately communicate disgust via text. Ok, now about this guy - as Tim mentioned, it was the right of the mall management to insist Mr. Downs leave. Shopping malls, much as they try to pretend they are when it suits them, are not public property. Read this (more detailed) story: http://www.rochesterdandc.com/news/0305story18_news.shtml[^] So, this mall apparently has a policy of discouraging the wearing of certain propaganda. Well, that sucks, but, it’s understandable. After all, their job is to keep lots and lots of people moving through each day, so they can keep lots of businesses paying them for access. And a part of doing that is to provide an environment shoppers want to be in. This means no scary reminders of what’s happening in the real world. Don’t want those impressionable young posers and geriatric walkers to become disturbed now! (did i mention i hate malls?) What to do then? If you stick to protesting and wearing peace shirts on strictly public property, then you miss a huge potentially receptive audience. Well, now that this guy is making an ass of himself, the mall is gonna get rather a lot of bad press. Whether they’ll soften their policy, or just try and ride it out remains to be seen, but either way it gets coverage. Imminent destruction of all malls nation wide is probably too much to hope for... but it helps to pass the time. ---
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This[^] is the way to deal with a mall you don't like. :laugh: Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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OK - whoever did the colour scheme for that page should stand trial. cheers, Chris Maunder
