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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
with extreme prejudice. No wonder this thing is failing in the market.
200 Million Windows 8 licenses sold is a market failure? Wish I could fail like that. :rolleyes:
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200 Million Windows 8 licenses sold is a market failure? Wish I could fail like that. Roll eyes | :rolleyes:
that doesn't count because they not selling win7 anymore, of course if there is no Win7, new pc will with win8... what would happen if new laptop can come with win8, and also if those new laptops and pcs can allow the installment of win7? normal customers will not downgrade to win7 just because they don't know now if your point is that they are selling, well yes, but its because there is not something else (mac and linux doesn't count, we are in win mode!!!)
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...and some are not! Windows 8 is the best gift Microsoft has ever given Apple. Now those on the fence have a reason to spend the few extra dollars on what also appears to be a much higher quality device without feeling vain about it.
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Windows 8 is the best gift Microsoft has ever given Apple. Now those on the fence have a reason to spend the few extra dollars on what also appears to be a much higher quality device without feeling vain about it.
:laugh: You have more dollars than sense.
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to build a Windows 8.1 machine at work. After 5 minutes of using it, I can honestly say I HATE it... with a passion... with extreme prejudice. No wonder this thing is failing in the market.
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Dave KreskowiakHa! Try encountering Windows Server 2012 for the first time, in a coms room with a mouse on top of a filing cabinet and a keyboard balanced on your knee. I kind of see the point where they are trying to go with Win8 but how many servers do you know that have touch screens? Trying to get the mouse to hover long enough in the bottom left of the screen to get the start thing up in your average coms room is no fun! I was out at a clients site so had to go and ask their IT guys for a loan of a desktop to RDP on to it. I did like the fact that when I eventually got the start thing up I could just start typing the program I needed to open it but why not just have that interface up all the time? Even a button instead of this hover your mouse it the bottom left corner and hover your mouse over in the right hand side crap
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Mike Winiberg wrote:
Indeed. But this isn't one of those. Get Real.
I am being real. I use the breadcrumbs a lot to go up more than one level. You may not. That is why they call it a personal computer. What features do you like about Windows 8/8.1?
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best feature? Being able to downgrade to Win7!
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Being able to downgrade to Win7!
Why upgrade then if you want to stay on Windows 7?
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Steve Mayfield wrote:
Being able to downgrade to Win7!
Why upgrade then if you want to stay on Windows 7?
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Why upgrade then if you want to stay on Windows 7?
Because of newest and greatest and all that and then finding out it's not. I must say, I hate my windows phone, all symbols/icons, you have to remember what each symbol means and I can't. I can't go back, my old phone is gone.
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to build a Windows 8.1 machine at work. After 5 minutes of using it, I can honestly say I HATE it... with a passion... with extreme prejudice. No wonder this thing is failing in the market.
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Dave KreskowiakI like the Metro interface, but i think that putting it side by side with the more capable desktop interface is the source of all the hate that it receives.
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It's personal taste too. I hate having two desktops. The touch monitor would be all-around if you were using a ton of Metro apps. Normal Desktop isn't so bad. It just needs the Start menu back. The swiping menu thing just makes it harder to find what you're looking for without extra mouse clicks.
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Dave KreskowiakI don't see it as two desktops. I see it as one desktop with an expansive start menu (oh yeah, they call it metro). When I use my win7 machines I have my desktop and a start button which opens the start menu. The start menu contains some recently used and preset programs. I can toggle between that and the all programs (to get a list of programs installed on the machine). When I use my win8 machine I have a start menu (metro, same as if I had clicked the start button on win7), except that I can organize my start menu by breaking it down to groups by categories and move the tiles to their respective groups. If I scroll down I can see all the programs installed on the machine. In either case (or computer), I can install my programs and use them on my desktop same as I've always worked on the desktop. I can develop software on either one, I can test, run, install and uninstall as well. It's just the same. Whenever I've installed upgraded versions of a previously install program, my first step is to figure out where they moved menu options. They're still there (usually), they just look different or are in a different place. It's all about how YOU look at it.
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to build a Windows 8.1 machine at work. After 5 minutes of using it, I can honestly say I HATE it... with a passion... with extreme prejudice. No wonder this thing is failing in the market.
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Dave KreskowiakInteresting. What did you not like about it? If it's the Metro view, download the Windows 7 style start button from startisback.com. I'm a developer and have been using Windows 8.1 for several months now and use it like Windows 7. I do find it faster.
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Interesting. What did you not like about it? If it's the Metro view, download the Windows 7 style start button from startisback.com. I'm a developer and have been using Windows 8.1 for several months now and use it like Windows 7. I do find it faster.
Read above replies. Also, I can't install the Wi7 style buttons or anything else on a corporate base image that is being used for software testing.
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Dave Kreskowiak -
Its a shame that people only seem to focus on the UI as a major problem (Don't even see it as a problem) and instead completely ignoring all the other massive benefits to the OS. Such as; Better performance Access to the latest Dev kits for WP8, W8, DX11.2 etc. Almost all the UI is vastly superior, such as windows explorer. No Aero for performance improvements, task manager etc. More secure than 7 Plenty of excellent tools that just don't exist in 7: such as Drive Pooling and local Hyper-V virtual machines! Seriously, Local Hyper-V is a godlike for virtual machines and I think its terrible that hardly anyone even knows about it! I just don't see how with all these major improvements and dozens more that I haven't mentioned, how could people base their decision to nerf their computer life for the sake of having a start menu. (ClassicShell?)
I absolutely agree! I’ve used Win 8 for about a year now & will not go back. That said Win 8’s launch left a lot to be desired. From a UX perspective I hate the fact that you’re supposed to magically know the new gestures. Granted they make perfect sense; but it’s like I’m in the late 60’s staring at some odd device hooked to a computer that rolls round the desk with a button on top... wondering what the #*$@ is that! I love the start screen design and I believe MS is right; it has the potential to segment average users from power users. I hope/suspect MS will start rolling out features specific to each type of user. I’d love to see a Linux styled multi-desktop feature! They can do that now without confusing average users who live on the start screen. For the time begin the best Win 8 devices out are touch-screen laptops. Win 8 really is a transition OS. Parts of the OS work best via touch and others via keyboard & mouse/touchpad. The OS feels wrong in places if you don’t have all 3 input devices. MS has work to do to get Win 8 feeling good on a traditional desktop hardware and “desktop mode” on a tablet. I expect to see Win 8 RT and Win Phone to somehow merge.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
with extreme prejudice. No wonder this thing is failing in the market.
200 Million Windows 8 licenses sold is a market failure? Wish I could fail like that. :rolleyes:
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Hey ditto, Dave. What that expression...their failure is more successful than most people's success. Also interesting how the same complaints resurface every 10 years or so.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
Why upgrade then if you want to stay on Windows 7?
Because of newest and greatest and all that and then finding out it's not. I must say, I hate my windows phone, all symbols/icons, you have to remember what each symbol means and I can't. I can't go back, my old phone is gone.
KP Lee wrote:
Because of newest and greatest and all that and then finding out it's not.
The UI is brash, but that is only the facade. Security was updated, but then why should security be important. :~
KP Lee wrote:
I hate my windows phone, all symbols/icons, you have to remember what each symbol means and I can't.
You can always get an android or, if you have money to burn, an iPhone. Caution, they have icons also. :-D
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Ha! Try encountering Windows Server 2012 for the first time, in a coms room with a mouse on top of a filing cabinet and a keyboard balanced on your knee. I kind of see the point where they are trying to go with Win8 but how many servers do you know that have touch screens? Trying to get the mouse to hover long enough in the bottom left of the screen to get the start thing up in your average coms room is no fun! I was out at a clients site so had to go and ask their IT guys for a loan of a desktop to RDP on to it. I did like the fact that when I eventually got the start thing up I could just start typing the program I needed to open it but why not just have that interface up all the time? Even a button instead of this hover your mouse it the bottom left corner and hover your mouse over in the right hand side crap
You mean, like pressing the windows key?
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Hey ditto, Dave. What that expression...their failure is more successful than most people's success. Also interesting how the same complaints resurface every 10 years or so.
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crazy cause I has been doing that search on the star menu since crap Vista!!!! I agree that we can't blame the full OS cause of the UI, since I installed Star8 I'm being comfortable I just avoid the metro UI, only problem I have at this moment is the synaptic gestures, it's a crap that it show the side menus every time I slide my finger to the left and I can't remove that gesture (trust me i tried) I'm very close to uninstall synaptic... But I must tell, there is not to much value in win8 to really need to change from Win7, the repulsion you feel from the metro UI is stronger that the wins. (and honestly I don't see those wins, any 4 cores cpu will work the same)
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crazy cause I has been doing that search on the star menu since crap Vista
I guess I am just a creature of habit and only change my behavior when forced to do it. :-O
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jcoons wrote:
Windows 8 is the best gift Microsoft has ever given Apple. Now those on the fence have a reason to spend the few extra dollars on what also appears to be a much higher quality device without feeling vain about it.
:laugh: You have more dollars than sense.
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesJimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy - it only cost a few dollars more to go first class. I spend the extra few dollars exactly because I have good sense. The feel of quality, the great performance and graphics, plus resale value (used laptops other than Apple are worth little to nothing in a few years) make Apple MacBook Pro's the best value going for a non throw away computer. I develop clinical software on my MBP that runs Windows 7 / SQL Server 2012 / and Visual Studio 2013 most of my working day. No way I would go back to non Apple laptops - at least while I have a choice.
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Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy - it only cost a few dollars more to go first class. I spend the extra few dollars exactly because I have good sense. The feel of quality, the great performance and graphics, plus resale value (used laptops other than Apple are worth little to nothing in a few years) make Apple MacBook Pro's the best value going for a non throw away computer. I develop clinical software on my MBP that runs Windows 7 / SQL Server 2012 / and Visual Studio 2013 most of my working day. No way I would go back to non Apple laptops - at least while I have a choice.
jcoons wrote:
it only cost a few dollars more
More like twice the price.
jcoons wrote:
used laptops other than Apple are worth little to nothing in a few years
Because they are old technology. Old apple laptops are old technology too but some apple evangelist will pay more than it is worth just because it is apple.
jcoons wrote:
develop clinical software on my MBP that runs Windows 7 / SQL Server 2012 / and Visual Studio 2013 most of my working day
Why are you not developing on the iOS? Because it is designed for the average user who checks their email, tweets their friends, posts on Farcebook and watches videos on YouTube. My wife is one of these and when she needed a new computer we bought a vios for about half the price if a iSomething. It does the job.
jcoons wrote:
No way I would go back to non Apple laptops
Like I said before you have more dollars than sense.
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