Why the world hates the apathetic Americans (long)
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And you've hit the nail right on the head of cowardice. Come on man, this is the Soapbox, why post anonymously? :suss:
any idiot can write haiku you just stop at seventeenth syl -ThinkGeek Fortunes
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
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Well, the US people elected him to office so it's kindof our fault isn't it. TyMatthews wrote: Cries of Hitler reborn! Whether this is true or not, we have the choice of not reelecting him next November. Until then, we can only try to persuade Washington to do what is right. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies
Brad Jennings wrote: Well, the US people elected him to office so it's kindof our fault isn't it. Um, no, we did not elect him. He did not receive the most votes. However thanks to the outdated and badly broken Electoral College system, and underhanded dealings by his buddies in Florida (I'm looking at YOU Jeb Bush), Dubya got handed the Presidency. Whee. --Mike-- PROCRASTINATION: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now. BUY MY SOFTWARE!! (please?) RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber My IntarWeb Homepgae!!!11
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TyMatthews wrote: You're the exact type of person the world hates, and the rest of us free-thinkers in America wanting change will pay for it... probably with our lives. Over-dramatize much? :zzz:
Anonymous wrote: Over-dramatize much? Nearly 3000 people lost their lives on 9/11/01. Innocent American civilians. No, I don't think I'm over-dramatizing it. If terrorists were actually intelligent and more capable, instead of idiotic and incapable, I'm sure similar acts would be carried out on a much more routine basis. Just as it is in other countries, such as Israel... particularly at the present moment. The fact is the U.S. spends billions on defense and intelligence, so these dumbfu*k terrorists can't succeed here in the U.S. with the same kinds of tactics used in other countries. :mad: Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Brad Jennings wrote: Well, the US people elected him to office so it's kindof our fault isn't it. Um, no, we did not elect him. He did not receive the most votes. However thanks to the outdated and badly broken Electoral College system, and underhanded dealings by his buddies in Florida (I'm looking at YOU Jeb Bush), Dubya got handed the Presidency. Whee. --Mike-- PROCRASTINATION: Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now. BUY MY SOFTWARE!! (please?) RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber My IntarWeb Homepgae!!!11
Do not forget the Supreme Court's hand in the whole fiasco... majority Republican. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Well, the US people elected him to office so it's kindof our fault isn't it. TyMatthews wrote: Cries of Hitler reborn! Whether this is true or not, we have the choice of not reelecting him next November. Until then, we can only try to persuade Washington to do what is right. Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies
Brad Jennings wrote: Until then, we can only try to persuade Washington to do what is right. No persuasion, by either the American public or the world at large, will be able to change Bush's agenda right now. Absoutely no chance in hell. He's even outright stated as much, saying he will not be swayed by public opinion. U.N. veto? He doesn't care, he says he'll just proceed without bothering with a new resolution at all. Who is going to stop him? No one. No other country could possibly stand up to the U.S. right now. The only country that can effect a change is the U.S. itself, and well... that's pretty much a no-brainer, isn't it? Once the Soviet Union began unravelling, the balance of the world's military power completely fell to the U.S. side. Right now, we just have idle threats from France, Germany, and Russia. They've at least got a pair in their boxers, however they haven't come out and said what they're going to do outside of veto a new U.S. led resolution authorizing military force (extreme, at that.) Will they threaten to boot the U.S. out of the U.N.? I sure as hell would if I were in their position. Would that make any difference? Of course not. Bush has repeatedly said "the U.N. is in danger of fading into history" and the media here in the U.S. happily obliges by announcing the same. War with Iraq is inevitable, and it simply does not matter what anyone in this country or in any other country thinks or says or does. That fact pisses me off to no end. :mad: We have a modern day Nazi party, people. Except there isn't anyone who can overthrow them. Brad Jennings wrote: Whether this is true or not, we have the choice of not reelecting him next November. He will win re-election in 2004, mark my words. His father will plan this with careful orchestration of the media, blatant public misdirection, vast sums of money, and payoffs/bribes/dealings with big business and the high society elite... just as he had done for 8 years from 1992 until the 2000 election. I have my own theory as to how all of this will unfold over the next 18 months. The plans for the pending 2004 election are already underway. IMO, the "recent" capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and the resultant media coverage is one such step. They needed to appease the public's distaste for inactivity on the war against terrorism, so this was a bone they've thrown out. What better way to get people to shop again, support the war, and swallow/i
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Ah, 'k. you maybe should have broken it up a bit though, 'tis a bit much to swallow as-is. ---
My whole life I've practiced the art of self-sabotage -- fearing success perhaps even more than fearing failure. I think I have got this flareup resolved, but I'm constantly waiting to see what new and exciting ways I can spoil my chances for a better life. - koreykruse, Compulsive Skin Picking
Sorry. I just can't help myself sometimes when I start typing fast and the anger is flowing so completely. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Do not forget the Supreme Court's hand in the whole fiasco... majority Republican. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
The Supreme Court did the right thing - finally got the balls to fulfill its constitutional responsibilities. It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
I think if I felt as negatively as you do about this country, I would move to Canada. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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I think if I felt as negatively as you do about this country, I would move to Canada. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Hmmm, we got a lot of eg. Iraqi refugees here, somehow I don't believe that the best solution when someone screws your country is to run away. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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The Supreme Court did the right thing - finally got the balls to fulfill its constitutional responsibilities. It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. Or the news media trying to sway it and almost doing so. I wish any network that announces a state prior to the poles closing would lose thier license. "I will find a new sig someday."
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
A couple of things: If I was filled with this much hate and disgust for where I lived and the way my government operated I would: 1) take positive action to effect change, 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere, 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution. or die from an ulcerated stomach. And, by the way, I don't give a sh*t about what the world thinks. Mike
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Hmmm, we got a lot of eg. Iraqi refugees here, somehow I don't believe that the best solution when someone screws your country is to run away. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
But there is obviously nothing about the U.S. that Ty likes. The people, the government, the economy. The culture. Why stay? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Stan Shannon wrote: It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. Or the news media trying to sway it and almost doing so. I wish any network that announces a state prior to the poles closing would lose thier license. "I will find a new sig someday."
Exactly. Guys like Ty buy into conspiracy theories that would make a John Bircher blush. The truth is far more apparent - the Democrat/liberal/socialists have had the Supreme Court doing their political heavy lifting for the better part of 50 years. Now that the court is beginning to reassert its contitutional responsibilities thanks to guys like Antony Scalia, the other side goes nuts. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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But there is obviously nothing about the U.S. that Ty likes. The people, the government, the economy. The culture. Why stay? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Why stay? To, as he is doing now, excersize his rights in a democratic society, and try to change the world he is living in. This is how states are formed, and what makes democracy so powerfull is the ability to flow with the current changes in the general public opinion. The question could, if you ignored the above statement, be turned around, and I could ask: "Why do you want to stay in the US, when you don't like the democratic process?". In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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A couple of things: If I was filled with this much hate and disgust for where I lived and the way my government operated I would: 1) take positive action to effect change, 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere, 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution. or die from an ulcerated stomach. And, by the way, I don't give a sh*t about what the world thinks. Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Stan Shannon wrote: Why stay? To, as he is doing now, excersize his rights in a democratic society, and try to change the world he is living in. This is how states are formed, and what makes democracy so powerfull is the ability to flow with the current changes in the general public opinion. The question could, if you ignored the above statement, be turned around, and I could ask: "Why do you want to stay in the US, when you don't like the democratic process?". In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
I said absolutely nothing to imply that he did not have the right to makes his point, or that I have any problems with the democratic process. Canada, so I'm told, is also a democracy. He could probably make his points there, and be a lot happier. That way he could live around trully intelligent people and leave the rest of us trailer trash inbred rednecks to our inevitable sad fate. I'm merely concerned about the guy's blood pressure. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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I said absolutely nothing to imply that he did not have the right to makes his point, or that I have any problems with the democratic process. Canada, so I'm told, is also a democracy. He could probably make his points there, and be a lot happier. That way he could live around trully intelligent people and leave the rest of us trailer trash inbred rednecks to our inevitable sad fate. I'm merely concerned about the guy's blood pressure. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: I'm merely concerned about the guy's blood pressure. :-D "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. reply to Stan: In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. I didn't see any question, except in the form of a challenge, "Do you disagree?" The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. Again, if I hated so deeply I would do something other than rant on a technical site. jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? Mike
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jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. reply to Stan: In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. I didn't see any question, except in the form of a challenge, "Do you disagree?" The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. Again, if I hated so deeply I would do something other than rant on a technical site. jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" Yes, that is what we simply call communication, sometimes, allthough rarely, you can make someone agree in your point of view. Mike Gaskey wrote: The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. What is wrong about despising your country?, he has shown that he is prepared to do something about it inside the frames of the democratic structure. Mike Gaskey wrote: Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? First: He is very very obviousely not unwilling to do #1 Second: Revolution in a democratic society to achieve democracy?, Huh?!... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus