Why the world hates the apathetic Americans (long)
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Do not forget the Supreme Court's hand in the whole fiasco... majority Republican. Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
The Supreme Court did the right thing - finally got the balls to fulfill its constitutional responsibilities. It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
I think if I felt as negatively as you do about this country, I would move to Canada. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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I think if I felt as negatively as you do about this country, I would move to Canada. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Hmmm, we got a lot of eg. Iraqi refugees here, somehow I don't believe that the best solution when someone screws your country is to run away. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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The Supreme Court did the right thing - finally got the balls to fulfill its constitutional responsibilities. It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. Or the news media trying to sway it and almost doing so. I wish any network that announces a state prior to the poles closing would lose thier license. "I will find a new sig someday."
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
A couple of things: If I was filled with this much hate and disgust for where I lived and the way my government operated I would: 1) take positive action to effect change, 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere, 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution. or die from an ulcerated stomach. And, by the way, I don't give a sh*t about what the world thinks. Mike
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Hmmm, we got a lot of eg. Iraqi refugees here, somehow I don't believe that the best solution when someone screws your country is to run away. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
But there is obviously nothing about the U.S. that Ty likes. The people, the government, the economy. The culture. Why stay? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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Stan Shannon wrote: It was Gore who was trying to steal the election. Or the news media trying to sway it and almost doing so. I wish any network that announces a state prior to the poles closing would lose thier license. "I will find a new sig someday."
Exactly. Guys like Ty buy into conspiracy theories that would make a John Bircher blush. The truth is far more apparent - the Democrat/liberal/socialists have had the Supreme Court doing their political heavy lifting for the better part of 50 years. Now that the court is beginning to reassert its contitutional responsibilities thanks to guys like Antony Scalia, the other side goes nuts. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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But there is obviously nothing about the U.S. that Ty likes. The people, the government, the economy. The culture. Why stay? "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: Why stay? To, as he is doing now, excersize his rights in a democratic society, and try to change the world he is living in. This is how states are formed, and what makes democracy so powerfull is the ability to flow with the current changes in the general public opinion. The question could, if you ignored the above statement, be turned around, and I could ask: "Why do you want to stay in the US, when you don't like the democratic process?". In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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A couple of things: If I was filled with this much hate and disgust for where I lived and the way my government operated I would: 1) take positive action to effect change, 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere, 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution. or die from an ulcerated stomach. And, by the way, I don't give a sh*t about what the world thinks. Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Stan Shannon wrote: Why stay? To, as he is doing now, excersize his rights in a democratic society, and try to change the world he is living in. This is how states are formed, and what makes democracy so powerfull is the ability to flow with the current changes in the general public opinion. The question could, if you ignored the above statement, be turned around, and I could ask: "Why do you want to stay in the US, when you don't like the democratic process?". In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
I said absolutely nothing to imply that he did not have the right to makes his point, or that I have any problems with the democratic process. Canada, so I'm told, is also a democracy. He could probably make his points there, and be a lot happier. That way he could live around trully intelligent people and leave the rest of us trailer trash inbred rednecks to our inevitable sad fate. I'm merely concerned about the guy's blood pressure. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
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I said absolutely nothing to imply that he did not have the right to makes his point, or that I have any problems with the democratic process. Canada, so I'm told, is also a democracy. He could probably make his points there, and be a lot happier. That way he could live around trully intelligent people and leave the rest of us trailer trash inbred rednecks to our inevitable sad fate. I'm merely concerned about the guy's blood pressure. "Any clod can have the facts, but having opinions is an art." Charles McCabe, San Francisco Chronicle
Stan Shannon wrote: I'm merely concerned about the guy's blood pressure. :-D "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. reply to Stan: In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. I didn't see any question, except in the form of a challenge, "Do you disagree?" The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. Again, if I hated so deeply I would do something other than rant on a technical site. jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? Mike
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jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 1) take positive action to effect change That is exactly what Ty is doing. Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere See my reply to Stan. reply to Stan: In a truly democratic society, even the shape of the democracy itself can be questioned. I didn't see any question, except in the form of a challenge, "Do you disagree?" The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. Again, if I hated so deeply I would do something other than rant on a technical site. jan larsen wrote: Mike Gaskey wrote: 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution And f... democracy? Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? Mike
Mike Gaskey wrote: Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" Yes, that is what we simply call communication, sometimes, allthough rarely, you can make someone agree in your point of view. Mike Gaskey wrote: The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. What is wrong about despising your country?, he has shown that he is prepared to do something about it inside the frames of the democratic structure. Mike Gaskey wrote: Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? First: He is very very obviousely not unwilling to do #1 Second: Revolution in a democratic society to achieve democracy?, Huh?!... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Mike Gaskey wrote: Not hardly. A rant on a technical site does absolutley nothing except let those who agree say, "see" and those who disagree ask, "had your Prozac refilled lately?" Yes, that is what we simply call communication, sometimes, allthough rarely, you can make someone agree in your point of view. Mike Gaskey wrote: The man apparently despises his country and our form of government but appears unwilling to work constructively for change -or- he simply thrives on bile. What is wrong about despising your country?, he has shown that he is prepared to do something about it inside the frames of the democratic structure. Mike Gaskey wrote: Revolution is how we achieved a form of democracy. If Ty is unwilling to do #1 or #2, what other choice does he have? First: He is very very obviousely not unwilling to do #1 Second: Revolution in a democratic society to achieve democracy?, Huh?!... "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
jan larsen wrote: he has shown that he is prepared to do something about it inside the frames of the democratic structure. And what might that be? What I read tells me he has no faith in the political process, elections, so we're left with the communication on a technical site - which, sarcasm aside, does little other than let you state your beliefs in a public forum. If you really want to effect change, run for office, work for your candidate, march in the streets, or? jan larsen wrote: Second: Revolution in a democratic society to achieve democracy?, Huh?!... I didn't see where he believed it existed. What I read told me that it has been a farce from day one. Mike
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And you've hit the nail right on the head of cowardice. Come on man, this is the Soapbox, why post anonymously? :suss:
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
Quit avoiding the real issue... Your pissed off at the world and haven't been laid in a loooong time. ;P Jeremy Falcon Imputek
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Anonymous wrote: Over-dramatize much? Nearly 3000 people lost their lives on 9/11/01. Innocent American civilians. No, I don't think I'm over-dramatizing it. If terrorists were actually intelligent and more capable, instead of idiotic and incapable, I'm sure similar acts would be carried out on a much more routine basis. Just as it is in other countries, such as Israel... particularly at the present moment. The fact is the U.S. spends billions on defense and intelligence, so these dumbfu*k terrorists can't succeed here in the U.S. with the same kinds of tactics used in other countries. :mad: Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
TyMatthews wrote: Innocent American civilians. {tongue-in-cheek) They were obviously not that innocent - if they were more 'aware' of American loathing abroad like you claim they should be, they probably wouldn't have chosen to work at such a visible target. (/tongue-in-cheek) And if they weren't killed for their awareness/lack of awareness of the 'truth' as you put it, what puts the 'free thinkers' like yourself in more danger of dying than the rest of us? :zzz:
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This is a continuation of the following thread from the Lounge: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=435671#xx435671xx[^] Joe Woodbury wrote: This is amazingly ignorant crap which displays a complete misunderstanding of the Constitution and the purposes of America's founding fathers. LOL- you are the one who is completely and unfathomably ignorant. A diehard Republican so completely drunk in stupidity you want to believe what you've been led to believe because it makes you feel good and better about yourself. The alternative is too frightenly depressing for you. You think our founding fathers were the most brilliant and fore-sighted individuals ever to walk this Earth? Nine American presidents owned slaves. Nine. The eloquent Thomas Jefferson, the man who wrote that "all men are created equal" refused to release his slaves, even on his deathbed. George Washington released his, but only when he was near death. These great American founding fathers thought of Africans as non-human, as just animals to be used like horses and cattle. Our founding fathers, while brilliant in their designs for a free America, are extremely poor choices of character. There are 27 amendments to the Constitution... obviously they did not get it completely right the first time. Time, cultural changes, societal changes, they all affect reasons for amending our Constitution. The electoral college is long overdue for an amendment. I can't tell you the "purposes of America's founding fathers" any more than you can, since neither of us were alive at the time to interview them. All I can tell is that the system is porked and leads to the two disasters I mentioned. Since we're talking about elections... In the 1968 election, North Carolina voted Republican, so the 13 Republican electors were voted into the Electoral College. When that College convened, one Republican stalwart from North Carolina voted for Wallace as a protest vote. There is no constitutional requirement that the electoral college vote the same as the popular vote. Many states require their "anonymous" electoral constituents sign a pledge to vote the way the popular vote went, but that is something left to the states, and as was proven in 1968, does not even imply that these constituents have to follow it. Do you dispute th
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0103-02.htm[^] http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2003/03/03/build/freedoms/freeguest.php?nnn=3[^] Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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Quit avoiding the real issue... Your pissed off at the world and haven't been laid in a loooong time. ;P Jeremy Falcon Imputek
LOL, maybe that's my problem! :laugh: Ty
"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." -Albert Einstein
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A couple of things: If I was filled with this much hate and disgust for where I lived and the way my government operated I would: 1) take positive action to effect change, 2) leave the country and settle elsewhere, 3) pick up a gun, literally, and lead a revolution. or die from an ulcerated stomach. And, by the way, I don't give a sh*t about what the world thinks. Mike
I don't have disgust for where I live. I have disgust for the government in control of where I live. I love America, or at least the America we once had. I love what our Constitution has provided us. That said, the current situation is not the same America as what I've been led to believe, and I'm trying to work towards restoring the America of old. Moving to another country would be cowardly and too easy of a way out. Besides, who the fu*k wants to live in Cananda? :laugh: I'm fighting for what I believe in. Hence my intense passion and fervor at the present moment. I'm fighting for a free world again, a free America. Not one where you have to wait two hours to get on a plane. The airlines are planning on assessing all passengers as to their "terrorist threat." Not an America where our government feels compelled to hide and conceal records and information that should be made public. Our civil liberties are dwindling on a daily basis. Is this the America you grew up believing in, or want to believe in? Don't give me any of that "reduced freedoms for sake of national security" bullsh!t. Just another ploy to make you accept the fact your freedoms are now limited. I'm attempting to effect change. My first step is public awareness, which is exactly what I'm doing here. I have my name and e-mail address on these posts. I'm surely on some NSA and/or FBI list by now. I don't care what the American sheep think of what I believe, I'm posting this to raise awareness. Hopefully, I'll shed some light to even one other person, and that person will in turn spread knowledge and more free thought. I'm planning on purchasing weapons. I need to find an organization that is trying to effect a change first. That is my next step. I'm sure there are some already established. Not giving a sh!t about what the world thinks is why they hate us. Your stance is exactly what I'm talking about. You only feel good and confident in saying that because the U.S. has the most powerful military in the world, and no one would dare try and stand up to it. You stand behind our tanks, stealth bombers, and nukes and say whatever you please. That is your right, as is mine. I just prefer to live peacefully with the world, to achieve a common good and further humanity, not live in constant threat of global destruction and instant war because you happen to live in a desert with oil beneath your feet. My third step is to eliminate the world's dependency on oil. I plan on doing this by leaving the corporate I