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  • C Chris Maunder

    I try and lead by example. I try and coach not curse. I try - Lord Knows I Try - to teach the youngin's how to cherish this wonderful, inconsistent and illogical language we have, and to use the depth and breadth of its vocabulary to its fullest. And yet some insist, provocatively, on abusing its fulsome goodness with the use of Words Abhorrent Unto John Galsworthy. I'm watching you, Nagy.

    cheers Chris Maunder

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    Keith Barrow
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    Well, he was complaining there are less and less of these posts so he should be happy. You're reply is almost unique as I have rarely seen you complain on this topic recently. This reply should have gotten DD rattled to :)

    PB 369,783 wrote:

    I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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      This is actual code in our codebase:

      // Items in Bad must have counterparts in Good.
      private static readonly string[] _badWords =
      {
      <list of really naughty words >, "gotten"
      };

      private static readonly string[] _goodWords =
      {
      <list of really naughty words santised>, "acquire, obtain, come by, receive, gain, or any of the many, many, MANY other words that deserve to be used instead" };

      ...
      // some code to search and replace bad words with good words.

      <Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger> Don't make me use it! </Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger>

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      OriginalGriff
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      And you missed out "Belgium"? :omg: :wtf:

      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        And you missed out "Belgium"? :omg: :wtf:

        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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        Kenneth Haugland
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        Should be replaced by what? Frogs? ;P

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        • K Keith Barrow

          Well, he was complaining there are less and less of these posts so he should be happy. You're reply is almost unique as I have rarely seen you complain on this topic recently. This reply should have gotten DD rattled to :)

          PB 369,783 wrote:

          I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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          PJ Arends
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          Keith Barrow wrote:

          you're reply is almost unique as I have rarely seen you complain on this topic recently.

          "Your" and "you're", two totally interchangeable words.

          Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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          • K Kenneth Haugland

            Should be replaced by what? Frogs? ;P

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            OriginalGriff
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            Anything! 'Belgium is the rudest word in the Universe, "completely banned in all parts of the Galaxy, except in one part, where they don't know what it means"'

            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Anything! 'Belgium is the rudest word in the Universe, "completely banned in all parts of the Galaxy, except in one part, where they don't know what it means"'

              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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              Kenneth Haugland
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              You can go to Belgium :laugh:

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                Keith Barrow wrote:

                you're reply is almost unique as I have rarely seen you complain on this topic recently.

                "Your" and "you're", two totally interchangeable words.

                Within you lies the power for good - Use it!

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                Keith Barrow
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                All to often.

                PB 369,783 wrote:

                I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                • K Keith Barrow

                  All to often.

                  PB 369,783 wrote:

                  I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                  Nagy Vilmos
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                  Your doing it on porpoise!

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    I try and lead by example. I try and coach not curse. I try - Lord Knows I Try - to teach the youngin's how to cherish this wonderful, inconsistent and illogical language we have, and to use the depth and breadth of its vocabulary to its fullest. And yet some insist, provocatively, on abusing its fulsome goodness with the use of Words Abhorrent Unto John Galsworthy. I'm watching you, Nagy.

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    fd9750
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                    A noble and valiant attempt but an impossible one, language never stays the same and evolves continuously. If I compare the sort of things you get to hear when they show snippets on TV from, for example, the news in the 50's and 60's its very different from what we hear today. Around here there is a lot of discussion these days the use of AN (standard or formal dutch) and dialects. One group insists on the use of AN while others prefer dialects. For the past 50 years schools have rigidly tried to enforce the use of AN and now people are complaining that our rich variety of dialects is disappearing. :confused: What else did they expect ? Dialects are also disappearing because people are more mobile, communicate a lot more and see/hear a lot of stuff from very diverse sources than they used to. It will keep changing, it happened with UK/Irish/Scottisch/American/Australian/Canadian/... English and equally with Afrikan/Flemisch/Dutch. In the last case Dutch as spoken in the Netherlands and Flanders officially sticks to AN but still TV channels on both sides of the border usually provide subtitles for TV shows they air from the other side of the border. Something a lot of people do not like either but is ultimately inevitable. Lots of grumbling as well about more and more "English" words being used here, not to mention youngsters extensively using "SMS" language. No matter, it is inevitable and a hundred years from now people looking a current day newspaper will find them just as archaic as we do when we see when we see a reprint from 1914 (we got to see quite a few of those because of the 100th anniversary of the "great war").

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Anything! 'Belgium is the rudest word in the Universe, "completely banned in all parts of the Galaxy, except in one part, where they don't know what it means"'

                      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                      Richard Deeming
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                      Belgians[^]. :rolleyes:


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        This is actual code in our codebase:

                        // Items in Bad must have counterparts in Good.
                        private static readonly string[] _badWords =
                        {
                        <list of really naughty words >, "gotten"
                        };

                        private static readonly string[] _goodWords =
                        {
                        <list of really naughty words santised>, "acquire, obtain, come by, receive, gain, or any of the many, many, MANY other words that deserve to be used instead" };

                        ...
                        // some code to search and replace bad words with good words.

                        <Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger> Don't make me use it! </Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger>

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        I, for one, have taken your disdain for [that word] to heart and have noticed that in most cases, the word "become" is the proper word.

                        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                        • C Chris Maunder

                          This is actual code in our codebase:

                          // Items in Bad must have counterparts in Good.
                          private static readonly string[] _badWords =
                          {
                          <list of really naughty words >, "gotten"
                          };

                          private static readonly string[] _goodWords =
                          {
                          <list of really naughty words santised>, "acquire, obtain, come by, receive, gain, or any of the many, many, MANY other words that deserve to be used instead" };

                          ...
                          // some code to search and replace bad words with good words.

                          <Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger> Don't make me use it! </Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger>

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                          Roger Wright
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                          You misspelled sanitized in _goodWords. ;P

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            "I try and to lead by" "I try and to coach" The use of "and" in these circumstsances implies success.

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            Roger Wright
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                            Exactly! :-D

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              This is actual code in our codebase:

                              // Items in Bad must have counterparts in Good.
                              private static readonly string[] _badWords =
                              {
                              <list of really naughty words >, "gotten"
                              };

                              private static readonly string[] _goodWords =
                              {
                              <list of really naughty words santised>, "acquire, obtain, come by, receive, gain, or any of the many, many, MANY other words that deserve to be used instead" };

                              ...
                              // some code to search and replace bad words with good words.

                              <Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger> Don't make me use it! </Serious Dad-frown and a pointing finger>

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              hairy_hats
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                              Chris Maunder wrote:

                              Don't make me use it!

                              Oh, go on. Please. :-D

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                              • K Keith Barrow

                                Well, he was complaining there are less and less of these posts so he should be happy. You're reply is almost unique as I have rarely seen you complain on this topic recently. This reply should have gotten DD rattled to :)

                                PB 369,783 wrote:

                                I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                BobJanova
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                                Fewer posts, surely ... the number of posts on CP is not yet so large we need to consider it a continuous variable!

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  I, for one, have taken your disdain for [that word] to heart and have noticed that in most cases, the word "become" is the proper word.

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  Chris Maunder
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                                  Everytime someone uses that word a kitten dies. You're a good man.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  • F fd9750

                                    A noble and valiant attempt but an impossible one, language never stays the same and evolves continuously. If I compare the sort of things you get to hear when they show snippets on TV from, for example, the news in the 50's and 60's its very different from what we hear today. Around here there is a lot of discussion these days the use of AN (standard or formal dutch) and dialects. One group insists on the use of AN while others prefer dialects. For the past 50 years schools have rigidly tried to enforce the use of AN and now people are complaining that our rich variety of dialects is disappearing. :confused: What else did they expect ? Dialects are also disappearing because people are more mobile, communicate a lot more and see/hear a lot of stuff from very diverse sources than they used to. It will keep changing, it happened with UK/Irish/Scottisch/American/Australian/Canadian/... English and equally with Afrikan/Flemisch/Dutch. In the last case Dutch as spoken in the Netherlands and Flanders officially sticks to AN but still TV channels on both sides of the border usually provide subtitles for TV shows they air from the other side of the border. Something a lot of people do not like either but is ultimately inevitable. Lots of grumbling as well about more and more "English" words being used here, not to mention youngsters extensively using "SMS" language. No matter, it is inevitable and a hundred years from now people looking a current day newspaper will find them just as archaic as we do when we see when we see a reprint from 1914 (we got to see quite a few of those because of the 100th anniversary of the "great war").

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                                    Chris Maunder
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                                    What I find interesting is if you say to yourself "I won't use this word" then it forces you to think of other words you can, and possibly should, use. It's a divergent exercise in that it expands the range of one's vocabulary instead of a convergent exercise where the wordset used shrinks.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    • B BobJanova

                                      Fewer posts, surely ... the number of posts on CP is not yet so large we need to consider it a continuous variable!

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                                      Keith Barrow
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                                      There is another error in their, along the same lines. There are also two mistakes in this post, though the one is paradoxical.

                                      PB 369,783 wrote:

                                      I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        What I find interesting is if you say to yourself "I won't use this word" then it forces you to think of other words you can, and possibly should, use. It's a divergent exercise in that it expands the range of one's vocabulary instead of a convergent exercise where the wordset used shrinks.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        Nagy Vilmos
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                                        Jokes apart, after spending the best part of a decade in non-English speaking countries I found my everyday vocabulary had shrunk. I stopped using what we would term as rich language as it would not be understood and so failed at the first hurdle. When I returned to the UK, I had to relearn to speak proper like what I do now.

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                                        • K Keith Barrow

                                          There is another error in their, along the same lines. There are also two mistakes in this post, though the one is paradoxical.

                                          PB 369,783 wrote:

                                          I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                          BobJanova
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                                          Keith Barrow wrote:

                                          in their

                                          :mad:

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