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  • L Lost User

    Typical bullshit questions. As for the rope, what are you allowed to do? Are you allowed to fold it in half? The smilies are even more under-specified. What exactly are the moves you're allowed to use? "Use a combination of (2 + 1)" doesn't mean anything.

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    Mike Winiberg
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    I think that's the whole point - they expect you to talk about what do and how that would give the desired result - in other words its a test of your ability to reason and explain your reasoning (like so many of these wanky things). So you could answer. fold rope in half, cut it and get two half-hour burns (ie light them simultaneously), or - as someone else said - light both ends. For the 45 mins, fold in half, fold one half in half again, then light the bend - the longer piece will burn for 45 mins, and so on. For the smilies, it's easy to see how to move a group of 3 to swap the figure, does that count as 2+1 or 3 - you would be expected to reason that out. I prefer to talk to someone generally about their work, get them to meet the team and talk about things they've actually done, including some technical discussion and reasons for why they took the approach they did. Simple reasoning tests like this where there is ambiguity, and where you are expected to reason about the answers have more value than many things done at interview, even though I wouldn't use them myself.

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      I think that's the whole point - they expect you to talk about what do and how that would give the desired result - in other words its a test of your ability to reason and explain your reasoning (like so many of these wanky things). So you could answer. fold rope in half, cut it and get two half-hour burns (ie light them simultaneously), or - as someone else said - light both ends. For the 45 mins, fold in half, fold one half in half again, then light the bend - the longer piece will burn for 45 mins, and so on. For the smilies, it's easy to see how to move a group of 3 to swap the figure, does that count as 2+1 or 3 - you would be expected to reason that out. I prefer to talk to someone generally about their work, get them to meet the team and talk about things they've actually done, including some technical discussion and reasons for why they took the approach they did. Simple reasoning tests like this where there is ambiguity, and where you are expected to reason about the answers have more value than many things done at interview, even though I wouldn't use them myself.

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      Yes Sir, Thats true. Capability and knowledge is every thing. This aptitude test and all bull shit. And on top of that what is the need to impose a criteria like 60% and above throughout academics? Its becoming frustrating now. In one company i cleared all aptitude and technical rounds, however one person who topped throughout his academics flunked these tests. Now what can be said about this? Well i hope these practices are not followed else where. Thanks and Regards, Rahul.

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        Hello Friends, I went for an interview to a company: they asked me these 2 questions: 1> I have a rope. There is no tool available to measure that rope. I can just measure that rope using time. For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour. a>Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do? b>I want to measure it for 45 minutes. How to do? 2> I have a figure below: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I want to convert it to: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) You have 2 options: a>Either use 3 smilies at once to rearrange the figure. b>Or use a combination of (2 + 1) smilies to rearrange the figure. which means you have only 1 chance if you use 3 smilies. OR 2 chances if you use (2 + 1) smilies You cant do a 1 + 1 + 1 combination of smilies to rearrange the figure. I was given 15 minutes to solve the above problems. Thanks a ton

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        Stefan_Lang
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        1. Since you already know how long the rope is going to burn, what is there left to measure? And anyway, since you're burning the rope - what is the point of measuring it? ;P 2) I don't see the difference between 3 or 2+1 or 1+1+1. Maybe your description of the problem is lacking some side conditions, or is inaccurate? Maybe you should view the problem at a different angle - say 90 degrees ;)

        GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto) Point in case: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/apple_gotofail_lessons[^]

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        • L Lost User

          How do you know where that is? I would have liked to fold it in half, get the middle that way, then fold it again at 3/4 for part 2 of the question, but OP said no folding..

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          Stefan_Lang
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          Easy: Burn the interviewer first, then fold the rope. :cool:

          GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto) Point in case: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/apple_gotofail_lessons[^]

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            The first one is rather simple: took about 10 seconds to work that one out. Set fire to both ends.

            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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            That fails the 15 min requirement Why not just fold it into half (or quarters for 15 min) when it reaches the fold you're done

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              Hello Friends, I went for an interview to a company: they asked me these 2 questions: 1> I have a rope. There is no tool available to measure that rope. I can just measure that rope using time. For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour. a>Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do? b>I want to measure it for 45 minutes. How to do? 2> I have a figure below: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I want to convert it to: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) You have 2 options: a>Either use 3 smilies at once to rearrange the figure. b>Or use a combination of (2 + 1) smilies to rearrange the figure. which means you have only 1 chance if you use 3 smilies. OR 2 chances if you use (2 + 1) smilies You cant do a 1 + 1 + 1 combination of smilies to rearrange the figure. I was given 15 minutes to solve the above problems. Thanks a ton

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              Stefan_Lang
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              On a more serious note: as incomplete and nonsensical as these questions seem, client specifications for a project are typically just as incomplete and nonsensical. Maybe the point of these questions was to query for more specific information to the point where the problem is sufficiently specified to actually come up with a solution?

              GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto) Point in case: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/apple_gotofail_lessons[^]

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                That fails the 15 min requirement Why not just fold it into half (or quarters for 15 min) when it reaches the fold you're done

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                OriginalGriff
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                There is no 15 min requirement: 30 and 45. For 45, cut it in half, burn one half, then burn the other from both ends.

                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  There is no 15 min requirement: 30 and 45. For 45, cut it in half, burn one half, then burn the other from both ends.

                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                  greldak
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                  You're not allowed to cut it - by folding it into quarters you can get any multiple of 15 minutes up to 60 including 45

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                  • L Lost User

                    Rahul VB wrote:

                    I can just measure that rope using time.

                    Next you will claim you can fly the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                    Simon ORiordan from UK
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                    Watch your mouth kid or you'll find yourself floating home.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      The first one is rather simple: took about 10 seconds to work that one out. Set fire to both ends.

                      Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                      Paddington Bear
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                      You don't need a tool to find the middle of the rope. Set fire to one end. Once it has burnt to the middle set light to the other end. 45 mins.

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                      • R Rahul VB

                        Hello Friends, I went for an interview to a company: they asked me these 2 questions: 1> I have a rope. There is no tool available to measure that rope. I can just measure that rope using time. For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour. a>Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do? b>I want to measure it for 45 minutes. How to do? 2> I have a figure below: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I want to convert it to: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) You have 2 options: a>Either use 3 smilies at once to rearrange the figure. b>Or use a combination of (2 + 1) smilies to rearrange the figure. which means you have only 1 chance if you use 3 smilies. OR 2 chances if you use (2 + 1) smilies You cant do a 1 + 1 + 1 combination of smilies to rearrange the figure. I was given 15 minutes to solve the above problems. Thanks a ton

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                        Nelviticus
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                        Burning the rope is just an example of how you use time to measure it, not the only way permitted. If you can measure time accurately in this experiment (which they don't specify) you could, for instance, test how far a shadow moves over it in an hour. With a bit of maths you can then angle it so that it takes an hour for a shadow to move from end to end, after which you can measure a quarter by checking where the shadow gets to after 15 mins. You'd have to do each round of testing at the same time of day but so what, it's not a real situation anyway.

                        Regards Nelviticus

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                        • L Lost User

                          That depends.Up to now they fortunately never wanted me to sing and dance. :)

                          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                          I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                          Stefan_Lang
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                          That would be their problem, not mine ;P

                          GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto) Point in case: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/apple_gotofail_lessons[^]

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                            Hello Friends, I went for an interview to a company: they asked me these 2 questions: 1> I have a rope. There is no tool available to measure that rope. I can just measure that rope using time. For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour. a>Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do? b>I want to measure it for 45 minutes. How to do? 2> I have a figure below: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I want to convert it to: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) You have 2 options: a>Either use 3 smilies at once to rearrange the figure. b>Or use a combination of (2 + 1) smilies to rearrange the figure. which means you have only 1 chance if you use 3 smilies. OR 2 chances if you use (2 + 1) smilies You cant do a 1 + 1 + 1 combination of smilies to rearrange the figure. I was given 15 minutes to solve the above problems. Thanks a ton

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                            Stefan_Lang
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                            1. If all you can measure is time, climb a tower or building higher than the rope is long, hold the rope on one end, letting the other dangle down. Then let it drop and measure the time it takes until the far end hits the pavement. Then drop something small to take the time it takes to drop from the current height. From the latter you can determine the current height, from the former you can determine the drop height of the far end. The difference between the two heights is the rope length. (note: height is 1/2*a*t^2, where a is ~9.81m/s^2 and t is the time you measured) You just need a sufficiently accurate stop watch and an accurate way to measure the moment the end of the rope hits the bottom (photo sensor should do) When you're done, tell the client the length and sell the rope: if burning it is ok, then why would the client expect to get it returned? ;) And don't tell me I can't use gravity! :~

                            GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto) Point in case: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/apple_gotofail_lessons[^]

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                            • S Stefan_Lang

                              That would be their problem, not mine ;P

                              GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto) Point in case: http://www.infoq.com/news/2014/02/apple_gotofail_lessons[^]

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                              SortaCore
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                              The nearby glassware would probably have something to say about your singing too.

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                              • P Paddington Bear

                                You don't need a tool to find the middle of the rope. Set fire to one end. Once it has burnt to the middle set light to the other end. 45 mins.

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                                You don't have a tool to measure to the "middle" ... unless you mean wait for 30 min then set light to the other end.

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                                  You don't have a tool to measure to the "middle" ... unless you mean wait for 30 min then set light to the other end.

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                                  Freak30
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                                  If it't a rope, you don't need a tool to find the middle. Just fold it, then pull the ends apart a little bit so that it lies in the shape of a V.

                                  The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.

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                                  • R Rahul VB

                                    Hello Friends, I went for an interview to a company: they asked me these 2 questions: 1> I have a rope. There is no tool available to measure that rope. I can just measure that rope using time. For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour. a>Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do? b>I want to measure it for 45 minutes. How to do? 2> I have a figure below: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I want to convert it to: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) You have 2 options: a>Either use 3 smilies at once to rearrange the figure. b>Or use a combination of (2 + 1) smilies to rearrange the figure. which means you have only 1 chance if you use 3 smilies. OR 2 chances if you use (2 + 1) smilies You cant do a 1 + 1 + 1 combination of smilies to rearrange the figure. I was given 15 minutes to solve the above problems. Thanks a ton

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                                    irneb
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                                    Actually the 1st is a bit of a trick question. The hint is in this line:

                                    Rahul VB wrote:

                                    For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour.

                                    Did he actually state that the rope is 1 hour long and you must then divide it into a half hour- and another into a 3/4 hour rope? I think this question is meant to find out how you read a problem. E.g. your measuring tool is time. And all you're being asked is to measure a rope of 30 min "long" and another of 45 min "long" ... i.e. start burning the rope while you start the measurement (i.e. something like a stopwatch). Then snuff the burning rope once it's reached the time indicated. Now if you're required to end with a rope the same length as the specified time, you'd need at least 2 ropes (equal lengths) to achieve this. E.g. time how long the 1st burns, subtract the required left over rope from that time then burn the 2nd for that amount and snuff it.

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                                      If it't a rope, you don't need a tool to find the middle. Just fold it, then pull the ends apart a little bit so that it lies in the shape of a V.

                                      The good thing about pessimism is, that you are always either right or pleasently surprised.

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                                      If you read some of the other posts, you'll note that this was disallowed: "Not allowed to fold the rope".

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                                      • I irneb

                                        Actually the 1st is a bit of a trick question. The hint is in this line:

                                        Rahul VB wrote:

                                        For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour.

                                        Did he actually state that the rope is 1 hour long and you must then divide it into a half hour- and another into a 3/4 hour rope? I think this question is meant to find out how you read a problem. E.g. your measuring tool is time. And all you're being asked is to measure a rope of 30 min "long" and another of 45 min "long" ... i.e. start burning the rope while you start the measurement (i.e. something like a stopwatch). Then snuff the burning rope once it's reached the time indicated. Now if you're required to end with a rope the same length as the specified time, you'd need at least 2 ropes (equal lengths) to achieve this. E.g. time how long the 1st burns, subtract the required left over rope from that time then burn the 2nd for that amount and snuff it.

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                                        Alternative to this (as others have mentioned) what if burning the rope is not necessarily the means of measuring it against time? Though here I might have to query on the translation, e.g. if the word rope is replaced with fuse the burning at a specified time interval makes a lot more sense than with a "rope". Also, are you allowed to "invent" (or rather deduce) a new measurement from a sample? E.g. take a single rope, measure it using some other means (e.g. using a stick you picked up). Then time how long it takes to burn it. Then you can use maths to use the stick as non-destructive measure on other ropes. And then, if the interviewer keeps giving you restrictions which void your answers. E.g. using mine above he then states: But you don't have 2 ropes. Or it's impossible to snuff. Etc. etc. ... that probably means he's actually testing your willingness to continue problem solving and how you react under pressure.

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                                          Hello Friends, I went for an interview to a company: they asked me these 2 questions: 1> I have a rope. There is no tool available to measure that rope. I can just measure that rope using time. For example i set it on fire and the rope burns for one hour. a>Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do? b>I want to measure it for 45 minutes. How to do? 2> I have a figure below: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) I want to convert it to: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) You have 2 options: a>Either use 3 smilies at once to rearrange the figure. b>Or use a combination of (2 + 1) smilies to rearrange the figure. which means you have only 1 chance if you use 3 smilies. OR 2 chances if you use (2 + 1) smilies You cant do a 1 + 1 + 1 combination of smilies to rearrange the figure. I was given 15 minutes to solve the above problems. Thanks a ton

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                                          "Now i want to measure the rope for half an hour what to do?" You burn it from both ends :) They really will end up with expert pyromaniacs in that company.

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