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  • F Forogar

    I agree. Sodium is the weapon of the silent killer. My father used to like a little food with his salt, his plate often reminded me of the Alps of a winter's day he put so much on. He died at the age of 69 of a heart attack. After the autopsy, the doctor said he must have had an incredibly strong heart because any other man with arteries that caked hard would have died years earlier! Her indoors had high BP and since my sodium was a little high when tested and I was reducing my sodium intake anyway she went along with it. We no longer put additional salt on anything and her BP is now normal with no medication at all - and so is mine. Tasty hint: If you go to a fast food outlet such as McD or BK ask for your chips (french fries if you are American) with no salt. 1. Once you get used to the unsalted flavour there is no going back and you might just live a little longer. 2. They usually have to make fresh chips for you so, although you might have to wait a couple of minutes extra, you always get fresh chips rather than the sometimes weird mixture of over over-salted, hot top layer from the bucket to the cold, greasy, hours-old chips from the bottom of the bucket. This doesn't apply to regular Fish & Chip shops as they usually are fresh anyway.

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    OriginalGriff
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    Yep - and the stuff is everywhere - mostly because it's a very cheap flavour enhancer. If you ever fancy a laugh, look at the sodium content on a packet of crisps (chips to our colonial friends). The Chicken flavour variety has a higher sodium content than the Ready Salted type! :omg: It took me about six months to work out a bread recipe that didn't include any salt - and I had to fine tune it each time I bought a new batch of flour... :sigh:

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    • R Rob Philpott

      My doctor thinks I've got high blood pressure and unless I change my awful awful ways may be in for an early exit from existence. Or a stroke/paralysis/wheelchair. Right cheery bastard he is. I own a blood pressure monitor, but I don't trust it. Can anyone tell me why: 1. Two consecutive readings within 30 seconds of each other can vary enormously 2. How you can measure BP through the arm. Surely the amount of muscle/fat will impact the squeezing of arteries? I'm quite a large chap 6"1 tall and too wide to fit on a standard SouthEastern railways seat (who isn't?). Once they used a 'big' cuff on the machine which gave a totally normal reading. The normal cuff read high. I probably do have hypertension, but there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory way of measuring it.

      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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      Munchies_Matt
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      6 fit 4, 260 lbs, sw enginer, late 40s, till a few months back a smoker, non sporting, basically, a slob, and last year I had my BP taken as part of a check up, 104 over 57. I don't know why it read low, perhaps I was feeling relaxed at the time, but my lifestyle doesn't merit it that's for sure!

      "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Herself was diagnosed with high BP back the late nineties, after a dentist pulled a tooth and it was still bleeding 24 hours later...turned out her BP was so high it was pushing any clots out of teh way before they could seal the hole. The Doc put her on a mixture of drugs when we finally found a combination that worked, and she stayed on them for about ten years. During that time I changed her diet, and cut her sodium intake to nearly nothing. With the help of twice daily BP testing at home (and an Excel spreadsheet / chart) we persuaded the doctor to try no pills, and after intensive monitoring for months we ended up with no BP medication at all. Now I have to force feed her salt from time to time as her BP runs a bit on the low side... :laugh: Try cutting sodium: it's a PITA to do, but it brings very good results!

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        True enough, I do heap the salt on...the really good 'sea salt' kind to boot...you can never over-salt anything with that :)

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        • R Rob Philpott

          My doctor thinks I've got high blood pressure and unless I change my awful awful ways may be in for an early exit from existence. Or a stroke/paralysis/wheelchair. Right cheery bastard he is. I own a blood pressure monitor, but I don't trust it. Can anyone tell me why: 1. Two consecutive readings within 30 seconds of each other can vary enormously 2. How you can measure BP through the arm. Surely the amount of muscle/fat will impact the squeezing of arteries? I'm quite a large chap 6"1 tall and too wide to fit on a standard SouthEastern railways seat (who isn't?). Once they used a 'big' cuff on the machine which gave a totally normal reading. The normal cuff read high. I probably do have hypertension, but there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory way of measuring it.

          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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          R Giskard Reventlov
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          I was put on blood pressure medication some years ago as a 'precaution'. I have always had higher than average blood pressure, even at my fittest but no idea why. No family history. Anyway, have a couple of blood pressure monitors and go through phases of suing them. Cardiologist told me to take the average of three readings. I have largish arms so had to buy a large cuff which made a difference to the readings. I also have white-coat syndrome: when I go to get my blood pressure taken at the docs it always goes up! Anyway, I was also told (after an MRI some years ago) that I appeared to have very large arteries! Perhaps that's why the pressure is higher! Who knows? End of the day, take the pills, watch the diet (never been a lover of salt anyway) and don't worry about it. :thumbsup:

          "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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          • F Forogar

            I agree. Sodium is the weapon of the silent killer. My father used to like a little food with his salt, his plate often reminded me of the Alps of a winter's day he put so much on. He died at the age of 69 of a heart attack. After the autopsy, the doctor said he must have had an incredibly strong heart because any other man with arteries that caked hard would have died years earlier! Her indoors had high BP and since my sodium was a little high when tested and I was reducing my sodium intake anyway she went along with it. We no longer put additional salt on anything and her BP is now normal with no medication at all - and so is mine. Tasty hint: If you go to a fast food outlet such as McD or BK ask for your chips (french fries if you are American) with no salt. 1. Once you get used to the unsalted flavour there is no going back and you might just live a little longer. 2. They usually have to make fresh chips for you so, although you might have to wait a couple of minutes extra, you always get fresh chips rather than the sometimes weird mixture of over over-salted, hot top layer from the bucket to the cold, greasy, hours-old chips from the bottom of the bucket. This doesn't apply to regular Fish & Chip shops as they usually are fresh anyway.

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            W Balboos GHB
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            Begs the question, does it not, why a person with dietary restrictions would even eat in such a place?

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              The instructions say take the average of three consecutive readings from the same machine, using the same seating position, and same time of day and then plot those across time to look for the trend, down or up. Them most important thing is to trend down if you are high, not to know what it is.

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              W Balboos GHB
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              I have a machine that will give the average of the last three readings - but that's not really sufficient to get the true value. You need to keep taking reading every few minutes until the value stabilizes. This is usually a lower number than the earlier readings. The remainder of your comments is correct. I've been told that ideally the arm with the cuff is held to the same level as your heart. Easy if someone's holding it for you - not so much if you're doing it yourself. Using the same chair (=chair arm support) gives me consistency. Hint: don't have the TV or Radio on, particularly with the news: you systolic reading could spike quite easily based upon what insanity you just heard.

              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              • R Rob Philpott

                My doctor thinks I've got high blood pressure and unless I change my awful awful ways may be in for an early exit from existence. Or a stroke/paralysis/wheelchair. Right cheery bastard he is. I own a blood pressure monitor, but I don't trust it. Can anyone tell me why: 1. Two consecutive readings within 30 seconds of each other can vary enormously 2. How you can measure BP through the arm. Surely the amount of muscle/fat will impact the squeezing of arteries? I'm quite a large chap 6"1 tall and too wide to fit on a standard SouthEastern railways seat (who isn't?). Once they used a 'big' cuff on the machine which gave a totally normal reading. The normal cuff read high. I probably do have hypertension, but there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory way of measuring it.

                Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                RobertHarris
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                I am in my mid forties, have high BP and have been on medication for a long time. The size of the cuff is very important (as many postings have said) so measure your arm and get the right cuff. My latest one came from lloyds pharmacy (UK) and seems to do the job well. The cuffs can be purchased separately so having multiple cuffs is simple and cheap. In January I weighed in at 336 lbs (I'm 6 foot 4 inches) and have altered my diet and exercise (both only slightly) resulting in a loss of 32 lbs to date. The aim is to get to 252 lbs (a loss of 6 stones) by the end of the year. I can safely say I can notice the difference already, my BP has dropped (it was still a touch high with the meds) and I feel shed loads better. One other point, have your doctor/nurse check your BP in BOTH ARMS. If the readings are significantly different then there could be some serious underlying causes.

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                • M Munchies_Matt

                  6 fit 4, 260 lbs, sw enginer, late 40s, till a few months back a smoker, non sporting, basically, a slob, and last year I had my BP taken as part of a check up, 104 over 57. I don't know why it read low, perhaps I was feeling relaxed at the time, but my lifestyle doesn't merit it that's for sure!

                  "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                  W Balboos GHB
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                  Sometimes, based upon your genetics, your BP remains quite nice until your circulatory system begins to lose its flexibility. Then up goes the pressure.

                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                  "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  • R Rob Philpott

                    My doctor thinks I've got high blood pressure and unless I change my awful awful ways may be in for an early exit from existence. Or a stroke/paralysis/wheelchair. Right cheery bastard he is. I own a blood pressure monitor, but I don't trust it. Can anyone tell me why: 1. Two consecutive readings within 30 seconds of each other can vary enormously 2. How you can measure BP through the arm. Surely the amount of muscle/fat will impact the squeezing of arteries? I'm quite a large chap 6"1 tall and too wide to fit on a standard SouthEastern railways seat (who isn't?). Once they used a 'big' cuff on the machine which gave a totally normal reading. The normal cuff read high. I probably do have hypertension, but there doesn't seem to be a satisfactory way of measuring it.

                    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    If you add low/no sodium cooking to your treatment, I found two very useful tricks (although much of what I cook is prepared Chinese wok style): In place of any salt or salty ingredient:

                    1. Minced onions added at the very end make the food very savory
                    2. Hot-Pepper and Garlic, depending upon how you add them, replace salt or heavily influence the flavor.
                    3. Mixing various herbs and spices brighten food, too, but it's a bit of a hassle

                    The problem with 1, assuming you like onions, is that onions are a strong component in the flavor. Item 2 works because, for as a pair, they emulate the perceptions of salt: sharp and mellow. Each of these two contributes to that. Add excess either or both to put them into the flavor. Saltiness brightens the flavor of food. It's cheap and easy, but not the only way. It took a lot of experimentation and rather bland food until this worked out.

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    • W W Balboos GHB

                      Sometimes, based upon your genetics, your BP remains quite nice until your circulatory system begins to lose its flexibility. Then up goes the pressure.

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                      Yes, that sounds likely.

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                      • D DaveAuld

                        I have got hypertension, and on meds for it. I use a Omron R7 wrist monitor http://www.amazon.co.uk/Omron-Wrist-Blood-Pressure-Monitor/dp/B000SM0M44[^] appears to work quite well. BP can vary massively in response to circumstance. Also, white coat syndrome can throw it off massively. When I was first diagnosed, I use to take 3 readings a day, morning, afternoon and evening and then trend this over time to give you a better reflection of what is going on.

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                        I've got an Omron wrist type, and a cuff type, and they never agree. I've taken to picking the reading I like best and going with that. That way I get to keep eating bacon. :-D

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                        • M Munchies_Matt

                          6 fit 4, 260 lbs, sw enginer, late 40s, till a few months back a smoker, non sporting, basically, a slob, and last year I had my BP taken as part of a check up, 104 over 57. I don't know why it read low, perhaps I was feeling relaxed at the time, but my lifestyle doesn't merit it that's for sure!

                          "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold

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                          Roger Wright
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                          It could be that, like me, the vast quantity of ethanol you consume keeps you relaxed. ;)

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                            It could be that, like me, the vast quantity of ethanol you consume keeps you relaxed. ;)

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                            They say red wine is good for you, and god knows I consume prodigious quantities of the stuff. :)

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                              Begs the question, does it not, why a person with dietary restrictions would even eat in such a place?

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Forogar
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                              Cos it's tasty! ;)

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                              • D DaveX86

                                True enough, I do heap the salt on...the really good 'sea salt' kind to boot...you can never over-salt anything with that :)

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                                Quote:

                                you can never over-salt anything with that

                                You will die younger than you hoped.

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                                • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                  I was put on blood pressure medication some years ago as a 'precaution'. I have always had higher than average blood pressure, even at my fittest but no idea why. No family history. Anyway, have a couple of blood pressure monitors and go through phases of suing them. Cardiologist told me to take the average of three readings. I have largish arms so had to buy a large cuff which made a difference to the readings. I also have white-coat syndrome: when I go to get my blood pressure taken at the docs it always goes up! Anyway, I was also told (after an MRI some years ago) that I appeared to have very large arteries! Perhaps that's why the pressure is higher! Who knows? End of the day, take the pills, watch the diet (never been a lover of salt anyway) and don't worry about it. :thumbsup:

                                  "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair. Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection nils illegitimus carborundum me, me, me me, in pictures

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                                  mark merrens wrote:

                                  I also have white-coat syndrome: when I go to get my blood pressure taken at the docs it always goes up!

                                  Me too. :sigh:

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