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    Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

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    I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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      Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

      PB 369,783 wrote:

      I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      Yes Some times it's "close enough for rock-and-roll".

      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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        Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

        PB 369,783 wrote:

        I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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        Can any USians confirm?

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        tool-room

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        programme

        I can't even understand what you're asking. :)

        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          I can't even understand what you're asking. :)

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          Crush: Okay. Squirt here will now give you a rundown of proper exiting technique. Squirt: Good afternoon. We're gonna have a great jump today. Okay, first crank a hard cutback as you hit the wall. There's a screaming bottom curve, so watch out. Remember: rip it, roll it, and punch it. Marlin: It's like he's trying to speak to me, I know it. [to Squirt] Marlin: Look, you're really cute, but I can't understand what you're saying. Say the first thing again.

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            Crush: Okay. Squirt here will now give you a rundown of proper exiting technique. Squirt: Good afternoon. We're gonna have a great jump today. Okay, first crank a hard cutback as you hit the wall. There's a screaming bottom curve, so watch out. Remember: rip it, roll it, and punch it. Marlin: It's like he's trying to speak to me, I know it. [to Squirt] Marlin: Look, you're really cute, but I can't understand what you're saying. Say the first thing again.

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            :) Did you have that in memory or did you look it up? Great movie.

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            • K Keith Barrow

              Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

              PB 369,783 wrote:

              I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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              Shelby Robertson
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              I've used it as "close enough for government work". It is occasionally responded to by "close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades"

              CPallini wrote:

              You cannot argue with agile people so just take the extreme approach and shoot him. :Smile:

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                :) Did you have that in memory or did you look it up? Great movie.

                There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                Bassam Abdul Baki
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                That part of the movie, less the words, was in memory.

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                • K Keith Barrow

                  Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                  PB 369,783 wrote:

                  I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                  I use that phrase all the time. In my book, "Close enough for government work" === "half-assed, barely works, is not in any way elegant or tasteful, but fulfills the requirements" In case you can't tell, I have a very dim opinion of my government.

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                    Can any USians confirm?

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                    tool-room

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                    the wag

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                    programme

                    I can't even understand what you're asking. :)

                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                    Keith Barrow
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                    RyanDev wrote:

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                    Can any USians confirm?

                    Standard CP code.

                    RyanDev wrote:

                    tool-room

                    A room in which machine-tools are made (bits for lathes for example).

                    RyanDev wrote:

                    the wag

                    A "wit"

                    RyanDev wrote:

                    programme

                    I worry about a dev that can't decipher this. ;P

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                    I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                      Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                      PB 369,783 wrote:

                      I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                      mikepwilson
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                      Yep. "Good enough for government work." The implication is that you've done something to a barely passable quality, maybe "to spec" but actually pretty crappy. And what the heck does 'wag' actually mean (and, for that matter, 'chav')?

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                      • K Keith Barrow

                        RyanDev wrote:

                        Quote:

                        Can any USians confirm?

                        Standard CP code.

                        RyanDev wrote:

                        tool-room

                        A room in which machine-tools are made (bits for lathes for example).

                        RyanDev wrote:

                        the wag

                        A "wit"

                        RyanDev wrote:

                        programme

                        I worry about a dev that can't decipher this. ;P

                        PB 369,783 wrote:

                        I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                        ZurdoDev
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                        bits for lathes for example

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                        A "wit"

                        You aren't helping much. :)

                        There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        • K Keith Barrow

                          Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                          PB 369,783 wrote:

                          I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          Keith Barrow wrote:

                          Is this phrase in common use across the pond?

                          Yup! Most definitely!

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                            Yep. "Good enough for government work." The implication is that you've done something to a barely passable quality, maybe "to spec" but actually pretty crappy. And what the heck does 'wag' actually mean (and, for that matter, 'chav')?

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                            mikepwilson wrote:

                            And what the heck does 'wag' actually mean

                            In this context, I doubt it means Wives And Girlfriends[^]; it's more likely to mean a witty person[^].

                            mikepwilson wrote:

                            (and, for that matter, 'chav')

                            A working-class youth, especially one associated with aggression, poor education, and a perceived "common" taste in clothing and lifestyle[^]. Chav is almost certainly from the Romany word for a child, chavi, recorded from the middle of the nineteenth century[^].


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                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                              I've used it as "close enough for government work". It is occasionally responded to by "close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades"

                              CPallini wrote:

                              You cannot argue with agile people so just take the extreme approach and shoot him. :Smile:

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                              Ian Shlasko
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                              Shelby Robertson wrote:

                              It is occasionally responded to by "close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades"

                              Which is itself responded to with "and thermonuclear weapons" Or is that just me?

                              Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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                              • K Keith Barrow

                                Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                                PB 369,783 wrote:

                                I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                kmoorevs
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                                I use this phrase often to describe when something is not perfect (is it ever?) but gets the job done. In my line of work, it might also be called 'rounding errors'.

                                "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                  Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                                  PB 369,783 wrote:

                                  I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                  Bassam Abdul Baki
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                                  Keith Barrow wrote:

                                  across the pond

                                  Isn't the entire world, technically, across the pond from you? You are an island after all.

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                                    Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                                    PB 369,783 wrote:

                                    I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                    Having worked for a north-western state gov't (within in the US), when I questioned spending 7 million on custom software when they could buy commercial off the shelf software (COTSS) for $3.2 million, and that I thought it ridiculous to go through 4 layers of management just to get a static IP address when they wanted me to build a prototype web app and wanted daily demos at a "fixed" internal web IP address, apparently they didn't like my rearranging the acronym for "COTSS" to "COSTS," especially the reduction of expenses kind. You see, with "custom" software, that means "total control" over every feature and not being at the mercy of some software *everyone* was using. Besides, they can ask for a feature and, if they don't like it, "disable" it and no worry because they got the funding to do just that. I was summarily requested to find work elsewhere, which I did (diff. department). I later found out : In this project, of the 1350 original features requested, 327 features were in version "1.0," at the $7 million dollar price tag. The remaining features were "wisely planned" (actual words in the "4-year plan") by the developer (well, company) over the next 3 years, at $7 million a year plus nominal increases. All told, 4 years later, 666 features (I kid you not) were implemented to the tune of $7 million x 4 = $28 million + $1.1 million a year i "nominal" increases = $31.3 million. I guess that'll teach me for wanting to save $25+ million in taxpayer dollars now, won't it! Yup, "close enough for gov't work," alright.

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                                      Shelby Robertson wrote:

                                      It is occasionally responded to by "close only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades"

                                      Which is itself responded to with "and thermonuclear weapons" Or is that just me?

                                      Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
                                      Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)

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                                      Ian Shlasko wrote:

                                      is that just me?

                                      Nope.

                                      Will Rogers never met me.

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                                        Was talking to my Dad about stuff that used to go on in the tool-room he used to work in. If a job went wrong it was thrown in the scrap me.tal bin, the wag pitching it would often say "Oh well, good enough for government". Then he watched a TV programme ("American Chopper", or "Tank Kings") where exactly the same phrase was used. Is this phrase in common use across the pond? I told my dad I'd ask. [Edit] Thanks. And to all those who replied with an explanation, it means the same here (ie shoddy work only the government would accept and pay for). The US may think it leads the world in incompetent government, but by jingo Blighty is more than giving it a run for its money :)

                                        PB 369,783 wrote:

                                        I just find him very unlikeable, and I think the way he looks like a prettier version of his Mum is very disturbing.[^]

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                                        It's a common phrase here, and reflects the fact that most government contracts are awarded to the lowest bidder, often by law. Anyone who has done source selection work knows that a RFP will result three price groups. The providers who price at the high end have plenty of work, don't need the job, but if you're willing to pay extra, they'll take it. The lowest priced group either didn't bother to read the specs and have no idea what the job really entails, read it and have no idea what all those long words mean, or understood it and intend to do the bare minimum required with no attention to quality and make up their profits from change orders that cost more than the original product. The middle group read and understand exactly what is required, and will probably do an excellent job at a fair price. But they rarely get the job. As a result, products built for the government are usually of shoddy quality, or grossly overpriced after the changes made to make them work as required are paid for. Hence, "good enough for government work."

                                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                                        • Z ZurdoDev

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                                          bits for lathes for example

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                                          A "wit"

                                          You aren't helping much. :)

                                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                          Forogar
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                                          OK, let me have a go. I consider myself multilingual in that, amongst others, I am fluent in both English and American.

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                                          tool-room

                                          A room for storing tools, such as drills, Spanners (Wrenches) and can also be a workroom (Tool-shed or Garage) containing things like Table Saws, Lathes (a spinning, wood-shaving thingy for making chair legs, Banister struts and the like) and other fixed tools.

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                                          the wag

                                          "A wit"... a jokester, someone who can be amusing in conversation.

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                                          programme

                                          Program

                                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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