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I disagree with the angle. Yes it was a mistake but not because the UI was bad or "did not catch on" as the article states. It was a mistake because it was not ready. There were promises made by those that were running the show and they failed. MS had no choice though and had to move forward. Windows 8.1 does not look like Windows 7. It looks more like a polished product.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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Shameel wrote:
microsoft-windows-8-retreat
Is that like "Run away! Run away!"?
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Doesn't surprise me at all: Win 8 was a phone (maybe tablet) OS designed for touch input. Most desktops have much bigger screens, and no touch - so it doesn't work very well for them, and take up reflected that.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I disagree with the angle. Yes it was a mistake but not because the UI was bad or "did not catch on" as the article states. It was a mistake because it was not ready. There were promises made by those that were running the show and they failed. MS had no choice though and had to move forward. Windows 8.1 does not look like Windows 7. It looks more like a polished product.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Windows 8.1 does not look like Windows 7. It looks more like a polished product.
Are you saying that W7 didn't look like a polished product?
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
Windows 8.1 does not look like Windows 7. It looks more like a polished product.
Are you saying that W7 didn't look like a polished product?
viaducting wrote:
Are you saying that W7 didn't look like a polished product?
No I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is there were massive gaps in 8. Correcting those gaps and making the OS better does not make it Win7. It finishes it. There are clear advantages to Win8 and what MS has done that could not be achieved with Win7. That does not mean Win7 was not polished or a bad product. But have you ever tried to use Win 7 on a tablet? I have. It is a horrible horrible experience. I have used Win8 on a desktop as well. While I do not like it (and have stayed with 7 on my personal devices), what they have done now with 8.1 does not make it Win7.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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It's good that MS can realise it made a mistake and go back to what worked. 8 was an attempt to push computer users into a tablet paradigm, and it just doesn't work.
Now they should put menues back in Office.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I disagree with the angle. Yes it was a mistake but not because the UI was bad or "did not catch on" as the article states. It was a mistake because it was not ready. There were promises made by those that were running the show and they failed. MS had no choice though and had to move forward. Windows 8.1 does not look like Windows 7. It looks more like a polished product.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
Collin Jasnoch wrote:
a polished product
By "product", do you mean "turd"?
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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viaducting wrote:
Are you saying that W7 didn't look like a polished product?
No I am not saying that at all. What I am saying is there were massive gaps in 8. Correcting those gaps and making the OS better does not make it Win7. It finishes it. There are clear advantages to Win8 and what MS has done that could not be achieved with Win7. That does not mean Win7 was not polished or a bad product. But have you ever tried to use Win 7 on a tablet? I have. It is a horrible horrible experience. I have used Win8 on a desktop as well. While I do not like it (and have stayed with 7 on my personal devices), what they have done now with 8.1 does not make it Win7.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
I wouldn't want to use W7 on a tablet, there are other OSes out there which do that job just fine. That said, MS should always have produced one product for tablets and one for the desktop. One-size-fits-all was a daft idea from the outset.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
a polished product
By "product", do you mean "turd"?
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
By "product", do you mean "turd"?
Curious if you have used it much. I really havn't used it all that much but was doing some dev work for it (so had to use it in that case). It wasn't that bad really. And most people that have used it a lot say most of the issues people have are the traditional "Windows you have changed issues" in that they just don't know how to do the things they did before. That does not make it a "turd". It makes those users unwilling to try something different. I prefer Android to iOS because I am more familiar with it. My wife has an iPad and an iPhone. I have 'some' difficulty working with it because I am so use to Android. That does not mean iOS is a horrible OS. Clearly it has some good aspects because a lot of people use it and continue to use it. I would say the same with Win8. The user base did not plateu. I continue to see more and more devices in the wild with it. It certainly had a slower adaptation rate than Win 7 from Vista (or XP straight to Win7). I am guessing with 8.1 though it will go faster.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
By "product", do you mean "turd"?
Curious if you have used it much. I really havn't used it all that much but was doing some dev work for it (so had to use it in that case). It wasn't that bad really. And most people that have used it a lot say most of the issues people have are the traditional "Windows you have changed issues" in that they just don't know how to do the things they did before. That does not make it a "turd". It makes those users unwilling to try something different. I prefer Android to iOS because I am more familiar with it. My wife has an iPad and an iPhone. I have 'some' difficulty working with it because I am so use to Android. That does not mean iOS is a horrible OS. Clearly it has some good aspects because a lot of people use it and continue to use it. I would say the same with Win8. The user base did not plateu. I continue to see more and more devices in the wild with it. It certainly had a slower adaptation rate than Win 7 from Vista (or XP straight to Win7). I am guessing with 8.1 though it will go faster.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
I was asking if you did. Besides, I couldn't even tell which "product" the "it" referred to in that sentence, I suspect some intentional ambiguity.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I wouldn't want to use W7 on a tablet, there are other OSes out there which do that job just fine. That said, MS should always have produced one product for tablets and one for the desktop. One-size-fits-all was a daft idea from the outset.
Time will tell. As I said I think 8.1 is more finalized. They may succeed in the endeavor yet.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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My suggestion to MS would be to keep the windows 8 start screen but as a live wallpaper to the desktop which means you cannot have small icons on your desktop but only the windows 8 start screen. Hence the users are not confused as well as the beauty of the live tile is preserved :)
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
By "product", do you mean "turd"?
Curious if you have used it much. I really havn't used it all that much but was doing some dev work for it (so had to use it in that case). It wasn't that bad really. And most people that have used it a lot say most of the issues people have are the traditional "Windows you have changed issues" in that they just don't know how to do the things they did before. That does not make it a "turd". It makes those users unwilling to try something different. I prefer Android to iOS because I am more familiar with it. My wife has an iPad and an iPhone. I have 'some' difficulty working with it because I am so use to Android. That does not mean iOS is a horrible OS. Clearly it has some good aspects because a lot of people use it and continue to use it. I would say the same with Win8. The user base did not plateu. I continue to see more and more devices in the wild with it. It certainly had a slower adaptation rate than Win 7 from Vista (or XP straight to Win7). I am guessing with 8.1 though it will go faster.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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Collin Jasnoch wrote:
My wife has an iPhone and an iPhone.
An iPhone for both ears, stereo iPhones it could catch on, I'm sure Apple will love the idea. :)
Haha. Woops. Meant iPad and iPhone. But soon she will have 2 iPhones though ;P She has the iPhone 4. Still works and all but it is quite a tiny screen. I am sure she will get one of the 6es when they come out. Old phones become toys for our young'ins.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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This is a complicated issue.I dont't think windows 8 was that bad. But it appears the microsoft doesn't understand that people will complain when they try to rush a system to make a new sale. Or the importance of testing the system with users. It seems that someone said "looks ok, let's sell it"...
There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure. Colin Powell
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I've been using and developing desktop apps on Win8 for at least a ear now. Honestly, it doesn't give me any problems and I switch back and forth to Win 7 effortlessly. The only "discomfort" I experienced was a few days of wondering where things were. Not unlike switching to other versions of Windows over the years.
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