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Is this an acceptable practice?

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  • C Colborne_Greg

    The word Private indents the code for white space. The m stands for Member some companies use an underscore _ instead, each data member has a corresponding property that exposes the data member with extra code for validation, each of these properties implement an interface. The intent is white space and readability not saving space. Importing a class file is improper name resolution

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    Gates VP
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    #43

    Quote:

    ...datamember so many times with the word private seems to be a waste of space.

    Your own words literally say that you are worried about "wasting space". Now you've changed it slightly:

    Quote:

    The intent is white space and readability not saving space.

    You're worried about "wasting space" but only for some very specific and narrow scope of "wasting". And in this particular case, you're worried about "small waste" vs. "absolute clarity" which seems like a pretty lame trade-off. The fact that anyone had to question whether or not the attribute applied to all the variables means that you failed the "readability" test. Your goal of "readability" actually resulted in this code being hard to read and possibly being "unclear" to people who were not experts in this very narrow language feature.

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    • C Colborne_Greg

      White space. It's more important to people. Also as a programmer if you do not understand how a compiler is going to handle your code, you might consider another profession.

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      Dave Kreskowiak
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      Yes, it's a matter of knowing how the compiler is going to handle the code, but it's more about maintainability. The format of the code is not to please the compiler. It's there to convey, without a doubt, what you intended. It's better to be explicitly expressive than it is to assume functionality with a lack of expression. Think about what the next guy who has to maintain your code is going to think when he sees it. Again, you're not looking for opinions. You're shooting down everything everyone says about what you wrote in an attempt to justify it.

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      • C Colborne_Greg

        This is what it looked like before

        <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember>
        Private mLastUpdated As DateTime

            <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember>
            Private mLastUpdatedBy As String
        
            <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember>
            Private mClearanceRequired As Int64
        
            <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember>
            Private mClearanceIsRequired As Boolean
        

        The first example I wrote, stands on in the document, where writing datamember so many times with the word private seems to be a waste of space.

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        Dave Kreskowiak
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        #45

        If you're worried about space, why are you using one of the most verbose languages there is? :)

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        • C Colborne_Greg

          I see yes the context of how someone takes a sentence is important. The code is flawless, again the question was about coding practices.

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          Dave Kreskowiak
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          #46

          When I commented on this branch of the thread, it wasn't addressed to you.

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          • D Dave Kreskowiak

            If you're worried about space, why are you using one of the most verbose languages there is? :)

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            Colborne_Greg
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            #47

            White space and readability It's like taking actual English practices and applying them to coding, so the point reading code is like reading a paragraph - when it's so elegant writing comments are redundant.

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            • G Gates VP

              Quote:

              ...datamember so many times with the word private seems to be a waste of space.

              Your own words literally say that you are worried about "wasting space". Now you've changed it slightly:

              Quote:

              The intent is white space and readability not saving space.

              You're worried about "wasting space" but only for some very specific and narrow scope of "wasting". And in this particular case, you're worried about "small waste" vs. "absolute clarity" which seems like a pretty lame trade-off. The fact that anyone had to question whether or not the attribute applied to all the variables means that you failed the "readability" test. Your goal of "readability" actually resulted in this code being hard to read and possibly being "unclear" to people who were not experts in this very narrow language feature.

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              Colborne_Greg
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              you are right I did say waste of space.

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              • D Dave Kreskowiak

                Yes, it's a matter of knowing how the compiler is going to handle the code, but it's more about maintainability. The format of the code is not to please the compiler. It's there to convey, without a doubt, what you intended. It's better to be explicitly expressive than it is to assume functionality with a lack of expression. Think about what the next guy who has to maintain your code is going to think when he sees it. Again, you're not looking for opinions. You're shooting down everything everyone says about what you wrote in an attempt to justify it.

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                Colborne_Greg
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                #49

                You are not reading every comment. Maintainability is a good reply.

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                • G Gates VP

                  Quote:

                  ...datamember so many times with the word private seems to be a waste of space.

                  Your own words literally say that you are worried about "wasting space". Now you've changed it slightly:

                  Quote:

                  The intent is white space and readability not saving space.

                  You're worried about "wasting space" but only for some very specific and narrow scope of "wasting". And in this particular case, you're worried about "small waste" vs. "absolute clarity" which seems like a pretty lame trade-off. The fact that anyone had to question whether or not the attribute applied to all the variables means that you failed the "readability" test. Your goal of "readability" actually resulted in this code being hard to read and possibly being "unclear" to people who were not experts in this very narrow language feature.

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                  Colborne_Greg
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                  The reason indeed why I posted the acceptability is to hear what you think. I am way out to left field my own practices are just for myself as I am the owner of my software company. This is the whole thing, I already know how off standard this is.

                  Namespace Sinks
                  <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataContract(IsReference:=True)>
                  Public MustInherit Class Base
                  Inherits Validate
                  Implements iInterface

                      <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember>
                      Private mLastUpdated As DateTime, \_
                              mLastUpdatedBy As String, \_
                              mClearanceRequired As Int64, \_
                              mClearanceIsRequired As Boolean
                  
                      Public Sub New()
                          MyBase.New()
                      End Sub
                      Public Sub New(Clearance As Int64)
                          MyBase.New()
                          ClearanceRequired = Clearance
                      End Sub
                  
                      Public Property LastUpdated As DateTime Implements iInterface.LastUpdated
                          Get
                              Return mLastUpdated
                          End Get
                          Set(value As DateTime)
                              mLastUpdated = value
                          End Set
                      End Property
                      Public Property LastUpdatedBy As String Implements iInterface.LastUpdatedBy
                          Get
                              Return mLastUpdatedBy
                          End Get
                          Set(value As String)
                              mLastUpdatedBy = value
                          End Set
                      End Property
                      Public Property ClearanceIsRequired As Boolean Implements iInterface.ClearanceIsRequired
                          Get
                              Return mClearanceIsRequired
                          End Get
                          Set(value As Boolean)
                              mClearanceIsRequired = value
                          End Set
                      End Property
                      Public Property ClearanceRequired As Long Implements iInterface.ClearanceRequired
                          Get
                              Return mClearanceRequired
                          End Get
                          Set(value As Long)
                              mClearanceIsRequired = True
                              mClearanceRequired = value
                          End Set
                      End Property
                  
                      Public Overloads ReadOnly Property Value(User As Directory.iUser) As Object Implements iInterface.Value
                          Get
                              Select Case True
                                  Case User.Deny : Throw New Exception("User Denied!")
                                  Case ClearanceIsRequired And User.ClearanceReadLevel < ClearanceRequired : Throw New Exception("User clearance is lower then required!")
                                  Case Else : Return MyBase.Value
                              En
                  
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                  • C Colborne_Greg

                    I DO NOT NEED HELP Quit behaving like you know what the fook is going on. THE QUESTION IS - is this an acceptable practice, please learn to read English before getting on my case.

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                    jibalt
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                    #51

                    I think you do need help not being a giant ahole.

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                    • C Colborne_Greg

                      The reason indeed why I posted the acceptability is to hear what you think. I am way out to left field my own practices are just for myself as I am the owner of my software company. This is the whole thing, I already know how off standard this is.

                      Namespace Sinks
                      <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataContract(IsReference:=True)>
                      Public MustInherit Class Base
                      Inherits Validate
                      Implements iInterface

                          <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember>
                          Private mLastUpdated As DateTime, \_
                                  mLastUpdatedBy As String, \_
                                  mClearanceRequired As Int64, \_
                                  mClearanceIsRequired As Boolean
                      
                          Public Sub New()
                              MyBase.New()
                          End Sub
                          Public Sub New(Clearance As Int64)
                              MyBase.New()
                              ClearanceRequired = Clearance
                          End Sub
                      
                          Public Property LastUpdated As DateTime Implements iInterface.LastUpdated
                              Get
                                  Return mLastUpdated
                              End Get
                              Set(value As DateTime)
                                  mLastUpdated = value
                              End Set
                          End Property
                          Public Property LastUpdatedBy As String Implements iInterface.LastUpdatedBy
                              Get
                                  Return mLastUpdatedBy
                              End Get
                              Set(value As String)
                                  mLastUpdatedBy = value
                              End Set
                          End Property
                          Public Property ClearanceIsRequired As Boolean Implements iInterface.ClearanceIsRequired
                              Get
                                  Return mClearanceIsRequired
                              End Get
                              Set(value As Boolean)
                                  mClearanceIsRequired = value
                              End Set
                          End Property
                          Public Property ClearanceRequired As Long Implements iInterface.ClearanceRequired
                              Get
                                  Return mClearanceRequired
                              End Get
                              Set(value As Long)
                                  mClearanceIsRequired = True
                                  mClearanceRequired = value
                              End Set
                          End Property
                      
                          Public Overloads ReadOnly Property Value(User As Directory.iUser) As Object Implements iInterface.Value
                              Get
                                  Select Case True
                                      Case User.Deny : Throw New Exception("User Denied!")
                                      Case ClearanceIsRequired And User.ClearanceReadLevel < ClearanceRequired : Throw New Exception("User clearance is lower then required!")
                                      Case Else : Return MyBase.Value
                                  En
                      
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                      User 9249657
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                      #52

                      I would prefer to write the attribute for each member, if you want to save lines of code you could write them inline.

                      <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mLastUpdated As DateTime
                      <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mLastUpdatedBy As String
                      <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mClearanceRequired As Int64
                      <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mClearanceIsRequired As Boolean

                      And since you're saving lines of code, why could use auto-implemented properties por LastUpdated, LastUpdatedBy and ClearanceRequired.

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                      • U User 9249657

                        I would prefer to write the attribute for each member, if you want to save lines of code you could write them inline.

                        <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mLastUpdated As DateTime
                        <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mLastUpdatedBy As String
                        <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mClearanceRequired As Int64
                        <System.Runtime.Serialization.DataMember> Private mClearanceIsRequired As Boolean

                        And since you're saving lines of code, why could use auto-implemented properties por LastUpdated, LastUpdatedBy and ClearanceRequired.

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                        Colborne_Greg
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #53

                        yeah I like that way too. It's not about saving lines of code, it's about creating white space

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                        • J jibalt

                          I think you do need help not being a giant ahole.

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                          Colborne_Greg
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #54

                          don't be a bully

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                          • J JimmyRopes

                            Please ask in the proper forum.

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                            Fred McGalliard
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                            More satisfying to post in an "improper" forum. Stuffed Shirt proper? :laugh: :laugh:

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