A joy of job hunting
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
This is happening to me right now. As well as the dev being off bit. I have had similar run-ins with recruiters, but here's a matching one: I get a lead on a position from a friend. He knows a couple of the people in there, and get me in. I nailed the interview. They set up the second interview right there, which is unheard of for that company. Calls from the friend telling me I slam dunked it. Get a call the day before the second interview telling me that a "key person" was going to be absent and they couldn't go ahead iwthout them. I can expect a call from one of the office people to reschedule. I've not heard from them. The funny thing is, I already interviewed with the hr admin, the sr. app developer, the sr. web developer, and the head of hte programming department. This was just supposed to be following up and meeting with the other team members, talking about wages, benefits, etc... What "key person" could you possibly be missing?
Jacek Glen wrote:
PS. In another moment of enlightenment, I re-considered my position and the current company is not that bad after all.
I'm coming to the same result. Especially since someone quit recently , and I used that to my advantage to get some change happening.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
Jacek Glen wrote:
do you find job agents to be quite unprofessional
Some are utter liars; like saying you get interview expenses and then ignoring your request to get them after the interview. We should have a list of bad agencies so we can black list them.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
Jacek Glen wrote:
So, is it just me or do you find job agents to be quite unprofessional too?
It's being professionally lazy; they optimize their chances by employing prejudice and bias, and only take time to look at what appears to be a deadbeat-match. Anything that requires work is dismissed immediately. Since the pool of people they pick from is large enough, no problems. If problems do arise, then a customer may be lost - but who cares about a single customer? :)
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Jacek Glen wrote:
do you find job agents to be quite unprofessional
Some are utter liars; like saying you get interview expenses and then ignoring your request to get them after the interview. We should have a list of bad agencies so we can black list them.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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That's a great idea! There should be a forum for bad agencies. We can all put war stories and names and stuff. would be great.
Elephant elephant elephant, sunshine sunshine sunshine
We should. Some website somewhere, or a forum or something where we can name and shame, because some of them are the pits.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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We should. Some website somewhere, or a forum or something where we can name and shame, because some of them are the pits.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
Trouble is it's not the agency, it's the agency employees. Otherwise unemployable types on commission who will do anything to get a tick in the "contacted" box. They frequently have to make targets for contacts, etc. and will say anything to get you on the list. And when they fail to meet the (probably unrealistic) targets, they are let go - and move to another agency and do the same all over again. :sigh: They know nothing about the jobs they are trying to fill, they care nothing for the people they are trying to fill them with...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Trouble is it's not the agency, it's the agency employees. Otherwise unemployable types on commission who will do anything to get a tick in the "contacted" box. They frequently have to make targets for contacts, etc. and will say anything to get you on the list. And when they fail to meet the (probably unrealistic) targets, they are let go - and move to another agency and do the same all over again. :sigh: They know nothing about the jobs they are trying to fill, they care nothing for the people they are trying to fill them with...
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
OriginalGriff wrote:
Trouble is it's not the agency, it's the agency employees.
THe agency is its employees, and if it cant control them it needs shaming. All the rest of what you say is true for some agencies, and they must be named. If not its not going to get better.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
I hope you're taking the phone interview with #3 to explain to them that you aren't interested in the position, that you tried to explain that to the agent a half dozen times before he/she setup the interview, but it just didn't seem to be sinking in.
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Oh yes, you tell them!! But wait, when you say "stupid, useless and dishonest", you don't mean software developers, do you?
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Oh yes, you tell them!! But wait, when you say "stupid, useless and dishonest", you don't mean software developers, do you?
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
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So, in a brief moment of enlightenment, I came to a conclusion that my current place of work does not fully utilise my broad range of skills and expertise, and the best course of action for me is to change it (job, not skills). As the grass is always greener on the other side, I put myself on the quest to find it. Unfortunately this meant dealing with those dreadful kind of people called Job Agents. Here are some stories I’d like to share with you: Story 1 A job agent called, saying he had “a fantastic opportunity” with “a leading company, employing best people and using cutting-edge technology” and I am “a perfect match for the role”. Moreover the MD of the company is “a good friend of his” and he really liked my CV and “is eager to meet me”. I ignored those warning lights, and I decided to go ahead with it anyway. The interview was set up and I showed up at the specified time. The company turned up to be a complete disaster, chaos and filth in the office, and of course no one expected me. I waited for 20 minutes and some guy came thrice asking my name and if I was sure I had an interview there. I was almost ready to walk out, but was too curious to find out how it was going to end up. Then I was seated in a kind of a store room, which I think was the cleanliest place in the office, where I was interviewed by a techie guy, who must have recently read some book on TDD, and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. On my delicate suggestion that TDD is just a tool, like many others, to help us write better code, he gave me that indulgent look, the way you look at a pathetic ignorant, and our ways parted. I didn’t get to meet MD. Immediately after the interview, I called the agent as it is customary. No answer. I texted him, emailed him, still waiting for any contact. Story 2 I received an initial email from an agent. I replied, we had a nice and long email exchange and three possible roles were identified, which I could apply for. She asked me to call her to discuss them in details. That’d be a first time I spoke to her, as all previous conversation was in email. Now, I might have some heavy eastern European accent, and there are some people who find it a bit difficult to understand in the beginning, but usually after some time they get used to it, and it was never any issue in communication. Anyway, I called the agent. After I spoke two or three sentences, I could clearly sense she became so disappointed (presumably with the way I speak) she cut the conversation short and h
Yeah, these are normal stories in my experience. I find head hunters like this to be on the same level as "Used Car Salesman".
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Trouble is it's not the agency, it's the agency employees.
THe agency is its employees, and if it cant control them it needs shaming. All the rest of what you say is true for some agencies, and they must be named. If not its not going to get better.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
Munchies_Matt wrote:
THe agency is its employees, and if it cant control them it needs shaming.
All the rest of what you say is true for some agencies, and they must be named. If not its not going to get better.It's all the agencies, or most all with very few exceptions. If you want to get an interview you need to go through them. Sometimes it works, most of the time it doesn't. If you can come up with a list of good agencies that would be more helpful.
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Yeah, these are normal stories in my experience. I find head hunters like this to be on the same level as "Used Car Salesman".
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Dave KreskowiakDave Kreskowiak wrote:
I find head hunters like this to be on the same level as "Used Car Salesman".
Head Hunters aspire to be as honest as Used Car Salesmen. :~
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Jacek Glen wrote:
do you find job agents to be quite unprofessional
Some are utter liars; like saying you get interview expenses and then ignoring your request to get them after the interview. We should have a list of bad agencies so we can black list them.
"The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s." climate-models-go-cold
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Jacek Glen wrote:
So, is it just me or do you find job agents to be quite unprofessional too?
It's being professionally lazy; they optimize their chances by employing prejudice and bias, and only take time to look at what appears to be a deadbeat-match. Anything that requires work is dismissed immediately. Since the pool of people they pick from is large enough, no problems. If problems do arise, then a customer may be lost - but who cares about a single customer? :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It's being professionally lazy; they optimize their chances by employing prejudice and bias, and only take time to look at what appears to be a deadbeat-match. Anything that requires work is dismissed immediately.
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S u n s h i n e wrote:
You wouldn't happen to be *job* agent 007 now, would you?
If he were he would have started out the conversation with "I have a fantastic opportunity for you with a leading company". :-D
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