Desktop Update
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
I finally figured out that it is less expensive to buy new rather than upgrade old systems. Seems like a waste, but cost effective. You can donate the old equipment to a good cause and your conscience will be clear. Pleasing your wife is another kettle of fish. :-D
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I finally figured out that it is less expensive to buy new rather than upgrade old systems. Seems like a waste, but cost effective. You can donate the old equipment to a good cause and your conscience will be clear. Pleasing your wife is another kettle of fish. :-D
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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Pleasing your wife is another kettle of fish. :-D
I love reading between the lines :laugh: .
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
As the others have said: buy new. Upgrading RAM is a PITA: you normally find that the old ram is unsuitable to run with the new, so you have to chuck that. And then, does the motherboard take the amount you want? And then there's the processor...and the hard disk...and the video card...and an SSD would be nice...and hang on, does the PSU supply enough power? You end up paying more for the upgrade than you would have for the new system most of the time, particularly when you are trying to catch up 5 years! The only drawback is that a new system is likely to come with Win8 - but you may be able to pay a little extra for an upgrade to Win7... :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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As the others have said: buy new. Upgrading RAM is a PITA: you normally find that the old ram is unsuitable to run with the new, so you have to chuck that. And then, does the motherboard take the amount you want? And then there's the processor...and the hard disk...and the video card...and an SSD would be nice...and hang on, does the PSU supply enough power? You end up paying more for the upgrade than you would have for the new system most of the time, particularly when you are trying to catch up 5 years! The only drawback is that a new system is likely to come with Win8 - but you may be able to pay a little extra for an upgrade to Win7... :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
OriginalGriff wrote:
he only drawback is that a new system is likely to come with Win8 - but you may be able to pay a little extra for an upgrade to Win7...
You are evil. :-D
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
A 5 year old box is past the point where substantial upgrades make sense; time to replace it entirely. You're probably only a year or two from starting to see component failures that will junk it. No sense throwing good money after bad now. If you're planning to keep your system more than a few years and use it for either gaming or dev work, I'd suggest going all the way to 16GB of ram. Windows will use it as disk cache now for a minor speedup and as your software continues its inevitable bloating it'll protect you from swapping. DDR4 is expected to start appearing in high end systems late this year and in mainstream ones sometime next year, so the DDR3 the box you build now will use isn't going to get much cheaper in the future; easier just to buy the extra ram now and not worry about it. In the short term, an i7 probably doesn't offer a whole lot. Relatively few games can take advantage of more than 4 cores (although with PS4/XBOne both having 8 core CPUs this may change in a few years); and unless you're building really large applications you won't be able to parallelize the build enough to benefit from 8 cores much. If you can afford it, I'd still tend to lean toward an i7, it's only $100 on top of a $1k+ system, just for future proofing; but if you need to cut costs for wife approval this is a relatively safe place to do so.
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
Definitely, if you can, get a new machine. It'll be worth the extra money. If you can stand it, get Windows 8. I know many people around here aren't fans of 8, but it does, in most cases, run faster and lighter than XP and 7 (and definitely Vista :-D ).
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
My personal recommendation to my customers is if it was originally running Windows XP then you may as well buy new. The newer hardware generally has more or different requirements for ventilation. If you want more than 2 Gig of Memory then you will need to go to 64 bit. There are also certain things built into the 64 bit that is not in the 32 bit that can help protect the system. As far as the processor you have to look very close at the part numbers to decide on what you need and want. They don’t make it easy to break thru the hype on what is what for either Intel or AMD. I even tried to contact them thru the Intel partner chat. With some of the research I have done for finding a new laptop, if you were going to be multi tasking you may want to go with an I 7, again look at the part numbers they are not all the same and most of the new systems put the less effective ones in them. Take Note of the wattage too, or “Max TDP” You can start here http://ark.intel.com/[^] and here http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/processor-numbers.html?iid=prod_core2duo+body_processornumbers[^] Another thing you will want to look at is the video they support. If I had the only choice of Windows 7 or Windows 8 I would go with Windows 7 mainly because I have no use for the new, um, “Features” that Windows 8 brings and the difficult way to navigate the UI. One problem that has been discovered for people trying to “Upgrade” Windows 8 to Windows 7 is the lack of proper drivers for the systems when going to Windows 7. Hope that helps some.
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My XP desktop is in need of an update (no really! ;P ), as it is about 5yrs old. I definitely want to go to Win7 or 8, from 2GB memory to 6 or 8GB, I want to put an SSD in and increase my HDD capacity. I'm debating a new motherboard / GPU. I'd like to move to a 64bit system. But what about i5 vs i7? Are i7s worth the extra money? If I go there though, that's effectively a new machine - the price of which probably won't fly with the wife! Typically I've been updating my machine to make it 'game-capable' for specific games - it was HL2 last time, this time Titanfall and (eventually) Elite:Dangerous. What do recent updaters think? Will an updated OS, more memory and an SSD compensate for an old (dual core) CPU and GPU for a while longer? Or would money on those updates be 'wasted' being held back by the old components?
I would also say that buying a new machine is a better bet. You can give the old one to someone else in your family who has less intensive needs, use it for a backup file server or just keep it as a reserve, which you can't do if you gut it, and it is likely to be of a similar cost if not cheaper. I play Planetside 2 which is fairly intensive, and the community view there is that a high end i5 is as effective as an i7, because the game engine isn't fully capable of using 4 cores to the max. That's probably true for other modern games too. A large part of the game experience is dependent on the GPU, extra money is probably better spent there.
