What is it with companies and interview results
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It certainly sucks alright. But you're gonna have to just go ahead and get used to it. There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond. You have to approach each morning as if it's the first one 'on the market'. No interviews, phone calls, email exchanges mean anything until you've got signed paperwork and someplace to report and start work.
mikepwilson wrote:
It certainly sucks alright. But you're gonna have to just go ahead and get used to it.
There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond.
You have to approach each morning as if it's the first one 'on the market'. No interviews, phone calls, email exchanges mean anything until you've got signed paperwork and someplace to report and start work.Agreed with all but the middle statement. There is quite a good reason for a company to respond -- so that they don't tarnish their reputation in the community. If it gets around that a company has rude HR or fails to follow up on interview outcomes, surely that will have a negative effect (unless the company is extremely attractive for other reasons). Absolutely spot on about the last thing though; nothing said during the process can be relied upon until a contract is produced and signed. And even then... :^)
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It certainly sucks alright. But you're gonna have to just go ahead and get used to it. There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond. You have to approach each morning as if it's the first one 'on the market'. No interviews, phone calls, email exchanges mean anything until you've got signed paperwork and someplace to report and start work.
Manners, dear boy, but I'm a Brit. :) but it's a pain, I spent a long time looking, only to be told by recruiters that my skills were out of date. Finally get a job find my skills are exactly what is needed
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mikepwilson wrote:
There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond.
Except for something called common decency. ;)
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RyanDev wrote:
Except for something called common decency.
Since when are companies decent?
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Been on the job market and had quite a few interviews. What's annoying is that most never respond. I can see not responding to a resume submission, but not responding to an interview just seems rude. In one case, I'd had FOUR interviews with the company in question. (I suspect they hadn't been given an actual budget to hire, just permission to interview, but why not just tell me that? This turns out to be the case at several companies--they try to get the budget from management only once they have a specific candidate.) Note to hiring managers. If you take the time to interview someone, take the time to follow up. PS. In a true irony, I just received an email thanking me for my interest, but that the company has not selected me as a final candidate. What made me laugh is that I'd already told them A YEAR AGO that I wasn't interested in relocating to Chicago and never had an interview, just a pleasant conversation with their in-house recruiter. Yet, this is a great example on how to do things right, even if horribly delayed. (See Roger's post below.)
Having done tons of interviews. 1) It is too time consuming. We interviewed 10+ people for each position 2) It is an awkward converstation: "Hey John, remember me... Yeah, you didn't get the job" [I only make that call when it ends with: "You were MY #1 choice, but I got trumped by H.R. and the manager you will report to. Is it okay if I keep your info, in case something opens up?"] 3) The person getting the offer gets a call. Finally, a different perspective. You would not even think about it, if you just landed a new job you enjoyed! Would you call back all those companies you interviewed with and say "remove me from consideration"? I wish you the best on your journey. In the meantime, Write a CodeProject article. Give yourself an edge at the next interview :-)
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mikepwilson wrote:
There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond.
Except for something called common decency. ;)
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Except for something called common decency.
You are delusional. :-D
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RyanDev wrote:
Except for something called common decency.
You are delusional. :-D
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
You are delusional. :-D
No really. There are still places in the wild where it exists. You'll just have to trust me.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
JimmyRopes wrote:
You are delusional. :-D
No really. There are still places in the wild where it exists. You'll just have to trust me.
No place I have ever interviewed. :suss: Does it make you happy to be rejected by nice people? :-D Personally, I don't care when I am rejected. I only need to hear "you have a job".
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
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Having done tons of interviews. 1) It is too time consuming. We interviewed 10+ people for each position 2) It is an awkward converstation: "Hey John, remember me... Yeah, you didn't get the job" [I only make that call when it ends with: "You were MY #1 choice, but I got trumped by H.R. and the manager you will report to. Is it okay if I keep your info, in case something opens up?"] 3) The person getting the offer gets a call. Finally, a different perspective. You would not even think about it, if you just landed a new job you enjoyed! Would you call back all those companies you interviewed with and say "remove me from consideration"? I wish you the best on your journey. In the meantime, Write a CodeProject article. Give yourself an edge at the next interview :-)
Member 10389821 wrote:
Would you call back all those companies you interviewed with and say "remove me from consideration"?
Good point. I think not! :doh:
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Been on the job market and had quite a few interviews. What's annoying is that most never respond. I can see not responding to a resume submission, but not responding to an interview just seems rude. In one case, I'd had FOUR interviews with the company in question. (I suspect they hadn't been given an actual budget to hire, just permission to interview, but why not just tell me that? This turns out to be the case at several companies--they try to get the budget from management only once they have a specific candidate.) Note to hiring managers. If you take the time to interview someone, take the time to follow up. PS. In a true irony, I just received an email thanking me for my interest, but that the company has not selected me as a final candidate. What made me laugh is that I'd already told them A YEAR AGO that I wasn't interested in relocating to Chicago and never had an interview, just a pleasant conversation with their in-house recruiter. Yet, this is a great example on how to do things right, even if horribly delayed. (See Roger's post below.)
In my experience there are companies out there where not calling you back is part of the hiring process. It is not intended to be rude, rather they want to find out a few things about the candidates. 1) Does the candidate really want this job? Do they want to work here, or they just want a paycheck? (this matters to many employers) 2) Is the candidate the sort of individual who will take initiative and follow up on their own? Many companies want to see these traits in potential hires. I understand that some companies also just want worker bee type developers as well, meaning the above traits would not be valued. Once I interviewed with a place 4 times, having to follow up with them after a couple weeks each time. They ended up offering me a job, but I took a different job anyway; not because of hard feelings the other place just offered more money. For the record I did end up having a conversation with the company I turned down letting them know I was not taking their offer.
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RyanDev wrote:
JimmyRopes wrote:
You are delusional. :-D
No really. There are still places in the wild where it exists. You'll just have to trust me.
No place I have ever interviewed. :suss: Does it make you happy to be rejected by nice people? :-D Personally, I don't care when I am rejected. I only need to hear "you have a job".
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
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mikepwilson wrote:
It certainly sucks alright. But you're gonna have to just go ahead and get used to it.
There's absolutely no reason for a company to respond.
You have to approach each morning as if it's the first one 'on the market'. No interviews, phone calls, email exchanges mean anything until you've got signed paperwork and someplace to report and start work.Agreed with all but the middle statement. There is quite a good reason for a company to respond -- so that they don't tarnish their reputation in the community. If it gets around that a company has rude HR or fails to follow up on interview outcomes, surely that will have a negative effect (unless the company is extremely attractive for other reasons). Absolutely spot on about the last thing though; nothing said during the process can be relied upon until a contract is produced and signed. And even then... :^)
Oh I don't mean they shouldn't. Just that, in a buyers market, their reputation in the community means precisely squat. Programmers are a dime a dozen nowadays and the status quo has always been to just not respond. So, in practice, there's really no reputation hit at all.
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RyanDev wrote:
JimmyRopes wrote:
You are delusional. :-D
No really. There are still places in the wild where it exists. You'll just have to trust me.
No place I have ever interviewed. :suss: Does it make you happy to be rejected by nice people? :-D Personally, I don't care when I am rejected. I only need to hear "you have a job".
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesYep. It takes a little bit of internal calibrating. But once done, it doesn't matter one whit. After all, it's not like I go back to a car dealership to say "sorry, but I bought a car someplace else." That would be stupid.
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In my experience there are companies out there where not calling you back is part of the hiring process. It is not intended to be rude, rather they want to find out a few things about the candidates. 1) Does the candidate really want this job? Do they want to work here, or they just want a paycheck? (this matters to many employers) 2) Is the candidate the sort of individual who will take initiative and follow up on their own? Many companies want to see these traits in potential hires. I understand that some companies also just want worker bee type developers as well, meaning the above traits would not be valued. Once I interviewed with a place 4 times, having to follow up with them after a couple weeks each time. They ended up offering me a job, but I took a different job anyway; not because of hard feelings the other place just offered more money. For the record I did end up having a conversation with the company I turned down letting them know I was not taking their offer.
Rowdy Raider wrote:
- Does the candidate really want this job? Do they want to work here, or they just want a paycheck? (this matters to many employers)
- Is the candidate the sort of individual who will take initiative and follow up on their own?
I have heard that before also. I always call back and if I really want the job call back even after being rejected. Sometimes their first choice turns them down and you show more interest than others. It has worked for me. :-D
Once you lose your pride the rest is easy.
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Having done tons of interviews. 1) It is too time consuming. We interviewed 10+ people for each position 2) It is an awkward converstation: "Hey John, remember me... Yeah, you didn't get the job" [I only make that call when it ends with: "You were MY #1 choice, but I got trumped by H.R. and the manager you will report to. Is it okay if I keep your info, in case something opens up?"] 3) The person getting the offer gets a call. Finally, a different perspective. You would not even think about it, if you just landed a new job you enjoyed! Would you call back all those companies you interviewed with and say "remove me from consideration"? I wish you the best on your journey. In the meantime, Write a CodeProject article. Give yourself an edge at the next interview :-)
Member 10389821 wrote:
Would you call back all those companies you interviewed with and say "remove me from consideration"?
If I haven't heard from them, I do.
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Yep, this happens often... as an engineer, I don't understand at all why not just say something rather than nothing at all. I guess HR is a job consisting of being nice to whomever happens to be in front of you at the time and nobody else.
Albert Holguin wrote:
I guess HR is a job consisting of being nice to whomever happens to be in front of you at the time and nobody else.
Hmm, I always wondered how that department was supposed to work. That statement clears up a few things ... thanks!
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Albert Holguin wrote:
I guess HR is a job consisting of being nice to whomever happens to be in front of you at the time and nobody else.
Hmm, I always wondered how that department was supposed to work. That statement clears up a few things ... thanks!
I hate to call them two-faced but it does seem that way on occasion.
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Been on the job market and had quite a few interviews. What's annoying is that most never respond. I can see not responding to a resume submission, but not responding to an interview just seems rude. In one case, I'd had FOUR interviews with the company in question. (I suspect they hadn't been given an actual budget to hire, just permission to interview, but why not just tell me that? This turns out to be the case at several companies--they try to get the budget from management only once they have a specific candidate.) Note to hiring managers. If you take the time to interview someone, take the time to follow up. PS. In a true irony, I just received an email thanking me for my interest, but that the company has not selected me as a final candidate. What made me laugh is that I'd already told them A YEAR AGO that I wasn't interested in relocating to Chicago and never had an interview, just a pleasant conversation with their in-house recruiter. Yet, this is a great example on how to do things right, even if horribly delayed. (See Roger's post below.)
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Been on the job market and had quite a few interviews. What's annoying is that most never respond. I can see not responding to a resume submission, but not responding to an interview just seems rude. In one case, I'd had FOUR interviews with the company in question. (I suspect they hadn't been given an actual budget to hire, just permission to interview, but why not just tell me that? This turns out to be the case at several companies--they try to get the budget from management only once they have a specific candidate.) Note to hiring managers. If you take the time to interview someone, take the time to follow up. PS. In a true irony, I just received an email thanking me for my interest, but that the company has not selected me as a final candidate. What made me laugh is that I'd already told them A YEAR AGO that I wasn't interested in relocating to Chicago and never had an interview, just a pleasant conversation with their in-house recruiter. Yet, this is a great example on how to do things right, even if horribly delayed. (See Roger's post below.)