Visual Basic needs more credit
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I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:
Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
Try
AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums Try AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_ ( New Image With { .Height = 150, .Width = 150, .Source = RotateStream \_ ( Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture, Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle ) } ) Catch End Try Next Catch End TryEnd Sub
Let us accept the fact that our whole logic is built around our natural language, that is the HUMAN language. Therefore, the programming language that is closer to the HUMAN language is more suitable for expressing algorithms. In other words, "IF... THEN... ELSE..." is far more clear and closer to the HUMAN language than if... {... }... Prof. E. J. Yannakoudakis
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I wouldn't write such empty Try's but.... still I like it over this here ^^
} } }}
}and this things aint better...
} //For } //If} //Try
My entire company is based around dealing with behavior's of errors. When nothing is done for an error it was meant to be that way
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The entire difference between C# and VB are involved in that factoring, suppressing exceptions is not an acceptable thing for my employee's to do, suppressing exceptions happens by my efficiency team; who decided that at this moment didn't need to know the error. In visual basic with block
With CameraControl.LastKnownTaken DateTakenBlock.Text = .DateTaken FileNameBlock.Text = .FileName LatitudeBlock.Text = .Latitude LongitudeBlock.Text = .Longitude End Withnotice the period, if you cant figure out that the words with a period before them belong to the with block I wouldn't hire you
Let's get one thing straight, I'm the guy that does the hiring these days. I wouldn't hire you -- someone who so vehemently defends unmaintainable crap and touts it as a feature.
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Let us accept the fact that our whole logic is built around our natural language, that is the HUMAN language. Therefore, the programming language that is closer to the HUMAN language is more suitable for expressing algorithms. In other words, "IF... THEN... ELSE..." is far more clear and closer to the HUMAN language than if... {... }... Prof. E. J. Yannakoudakis
Yes also in C# there are two ways of writing an if statement such as If something do this result - only allows one line of code if something { do this result} - allows multiple lies of code if a coders places two lines of code in the first example the program fails...
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Let's get one thing straight, I'm the guy that does the hiring these days. I wouldn't hire you -- someone who so vehemently defends unmaintainable crap and touts it as a feature.
I own 3 companies.
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Colborne_Greg wrote:
second one fails
No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]
using System;
public class Program
{
public static void Main()
{
int height = 100;
var image = new Image { height = height };
Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
}
}public class Image
{
public int height { get; set; }
}Output:
The image's height is 100.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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People that don't already write code are -cheaper per hour -easier to train -get the job done faster -get the job done without added flare -almost half the cost overall as other programmers -they write in full words (no bad habits)
also have no clue when something breaks... I have seen VB programmers programming like they are chucking bricks over a wall!
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Height = height breaks readability rules Having the period in visual basic easily allows the reader of the code to know the scope of the object, which is not so obvious
If you're used to working in a case-sensitive language, the difference between
Heightandheightis pretty obvious. And if you're that worried about it, you can always call your variable something else!
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I own 3 companies.
Great. Hopefully the people you're hiring for your companies are on the same page with you. Personally, I disagree, and wouldn't hire someone who agreed with you on this particular subject because it likely means they think a lot of other things that I don't agree with. Have a nice day.
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Great. Hopefully the people you're hiring for your companies are on the same page with you. Personally, I disagree, and wouldn't hire someone who agreed with you on this particular subject because it likely means they think a lot of other things that I don't agree with. Have a nice day.
I wrote Unidex, its competes with SQL, its about to be released as it was just finished. It allows for pictures, video and songs to be placed in a record - the actual data not the file name... It also can index 200 GB of memory, create 8 million records an hour, have records in the same table with different number of columns, records can have columns unique to its record. In fact Unidex does all the hard work that pretty much I need to stay away from anyone that thinks they know computers.
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also have no clue when something breaks... I have seen VB programmers programming like they are chucking bricks over a wall!
Lmao indeed indeed Gladly I am using Unidex and not SQL so the guess work for my programmers is next to nothing.
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If you're used to working in a case-sensitive language, the difference between
Heightandheightis pretty obvious. And if you're that worried about it, you can always call your variable something else!
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
I have a habit of avoiding case sensitive languages as it creates more problems, then the advantage you gave
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I wrote Unidex, its competes with SQL, its about to be released as it was just finished. It allows for pictures, video and songs to be placed in a record - the actual data not the file name... It also can index 200 GB of memory, create 8 million records an hour, have records in the same table with different number of columns, records can have columns unique to its record. In fact Unidex does all the hard work that pretty much I need to stay away from anyone that thinks they know computers.
And? I'll bet you'd be extremely disruptive at planning meetings. You can have it your way if you want. I just wouldn't have you in my company. And, you say it competes with SQL, meaning 'it attempts to go after the same market.' Which is well and good, but that doesn't mean anything, because I haven't heard of it, and probably most other people who use SQL haven't either. I wrote a database server, and query language for it too, and sold it commercially. That doesn't make me any more of an expert than someone who hasn't. Nor does it make you. It just means you know what an index is, the appropriate data structures for using it, etc. Congratulations. You're still wrong ;)
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And? I'll bet you'd be extremely disruptive at planning meetings. You can have it your way if you want. I just wouldn't have you in my company. And, you say it competes with SQL, meaning 'it attempts to go after the same market.' Which is well and good, but that doesn't mean anything, because I haven't heard of it, and probably most other people who use SQL haven't either. I wrote a database server, and query language for it too, and sold it commercially. That doesn't make me any more of an expert than someone who hasn't. Nor does it make you. It just means you know what an index is, the appropriate data structures for using it, etc. Congratulations. You're still wrong ;)
Just remember that once you hear of us.
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Just remember that once you hear of us.
I sincerely wish you all the best. I just think you're still wrong about VB.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
Try writing an event that returns a value in VB
How do you do that in C# that you can't do in VB?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]
Consider these two C# statements:
public delegate bool IsItSafe() ;
public event IsItSafe Probe ;they compile just fine and actually work as they should, but the VB.net equivalent:
Delegate Function IsItSafe() as Boolean
Event Probe As IsItSafeyields:
C:\Projects\Template.vb(26) : error BC31084: Events cannot be declared with a delegate type that has a return type.
Event Probe As IsItSafe ~~~~~Not that it's something that is common, but I do use a few events that return bool values in an unusual project of mine.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I would not hire you sorry. The reason you can not use the with operator in such a fashion is scope
And this, in turn, is why I wouldn't hire you: you don't look past what is and see what could be. See, a simple rule that ambiguous member references within a With statement are not allowed (and are a compiler error) would sort out the scoping issues, produce something that has significantly more expressive power, and not make the language any more complicated. The fact that this is not part of the language is irrelevant: there are open-source visual basic compilers (eg, as part of the Mono project) that would be easily extended to support whatever extensions you like. This is not, of course, to say that I would advocate for such a feature to be added. It wouldn't result in any increase in code readability (rather, it would significantly decrease readability), and any given piece of code is likely going to be read far more times than it will be written.
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I sincerely wish you all the best. I just think you're still wrong about VB.
What that it needs more credit? There are practically no differences between the two, and opinions for and against it being a better language then others suggest that I am right.
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As I have learned but there is no period before either height so now the reader of the code has to guess at the scope of the object Real genius
It's pretty obvious from context that one of those is a property name on the object you're setting, and one is a name in the local scope, and that's all the . tells you. It's no different from public Form Form (or Dim Form As Form or whatever you write in VB) and other places where you have the same word in two different contexts.
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And this, in turn, is why I wouldn't hire you: you don't look past what is and see what could be. See, a simple rule that ambiguous member references within a With statement are not allowed (and are a compiler error) would sort out the scoping issues, produce something that has significantly more expressive power, and not make the language any more complicated. The fact that this is not part of the language is irrelevant: there are open-source visual basic compilers (eg, as part of the Mono project) that would be easily extended to support whatever extensions you like. This is not, of course, to say that I would advocate for such a feature to be added. It wouldn't result in any increase in code readability (rather, it would significantly decrease readability), and any given piece of code is likely going to be read far more times than it will be written.
I own 3 companies - do you own any? In order to get C# lines to fit into the viewable area of the screen it is common practice to use a short variable notation, in visual basic it is common to use full words like PictureNameTextBlock - so when variables are that long the lines of code stretch far out off the screen - making the with block extremely important, once we compare the differences at a management stand point we saw reading visual basic was like reading English while reading C# code in general was impossible and had to rely on comments. Visual basic saves a lot of money.
