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  • K kmoorevs

    An upcoming project requires SSL on our webserver, so I have been checking on certificates from different sources. We already use Thawte for code signing and it would be nice to manage all the certificates together plus I would think that the screening/verification process could be skipped when adding a service. Anyway, so I go check at Thawte first...looks like the one I need is $149/yr. Checking around, I found ssls.com[^] and notice that the same certificate there is only $29/yr. :wtf: Is there anything I should be aware of when going through a reseller?..I mean, that's quite a difference. Anybody used them? (ssls.com) Does CP sell ssl certs? I thought they did, but searching the site turns up nothing today.

    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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    GuyThiebaut
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    My colleague has recently been working with SSL certificates and I believe that the cheaper certificates require something akin to an intermediate certificate(I believe this is checked and certified by an intermediary SSL server before the full certificate is verified). I may be wrong on this however my colleague explained that it was a rather complicated affair and that the cheaper certificates involved more complexity.

    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

    ― Christopher Hitchens

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      My colleague has recently been working with SSL certificates and I believe that the cheaper certificates require something akin to an intermediate certificate(I believe this is checked and certified by an intermediary SSL server before the full certificate is verified). I may be wrong on this however my colleague explained that it was a rather complicated affair and that the cheaper certificates involved more complexity.

      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

      ― Christopher Hitchens

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      Ron Anders
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      I got a free cert from startssl. Can't beat free.

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        I got a free cert from startssl. Can't beat free.

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        Free is rarely worth the price. Generally better to pay for quality.

        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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        • K kmoorevs

          An upcoming project requires SSL on our webserver, so I have been checking on certificates from different sources. We already use Thawte for code signing and it would be nice to manage all the certificates together plus I would think that the screening/verification process could be skipped when adding a service. Anyway, so I go check at Thawte first...looks like the one I need is $149/yr. Checking around, I found ssls.com[^] and notice that the same certificate there is only $29/yr. :wtf: Is there anything I should be aware of when going through a reseller?..I mean, that's quite a difference. Anybody used them? (ssls.com) Does CP sell ssl certs? I thought they did, but searching the site turns up nothing today.

          "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          There is a reason not to use your self-generated SSL?

          I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

          "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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          • K kmoorevs

            An upcoming project requires SSL on our webserver, so I have been checking on certificates from different sources. We already use Thawte for code signing and it would be nice to manage all the certificates together plus I would think that the screening/verification process could be skipped when adding a service. Anyway, so I go check at Thawte first...looks like the one I need is $149/yr. Checking around, I found ssls.com[^] and notice that the same certificate there is only $29/yr. :wtf: Is there anything I should be aware of when going through a reseller?..I mean, that's quite a difference. Anybody used them? (ssls.com) Does CP sell ssl certs? I thought they did, but searching the site turns up nothing today.

            "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            Do you need the certificate just for your own needs and to get the technology working? Use a self signed certificate. If the purpose that your customers should be protected from man in the middle attacks, use a reputable certificate that actually check who you are.

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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            • R Ron Anders

              I got a free cert from startssl. Can't beat free.

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              kmoorevs
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              Wow! That is cheap! :) I'm still wondering what the catch is with free and cheap certificates... Anyhow, thanks to all who offered advice! Now enjoy what's left of your weekend! :laugh:

              "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                There is a reason not to use your self-generated SSL?

                I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

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                As long as you don't need anyone to trust your certificate, e.g. if you hold both ends of all communication where the certificate will be used, and there is no way whatsoever that anyone can inject traffic on that communication line, masquerading himself with another self-signed certificate pretending to be you, then self-signing is perfectly safe. But then you probably have limited need of SSL at all.

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                • K kalberts

                  As long as you don't need anyone to trust your certificate, e.g. if you hold both ends of all communication where the certificate will be used, and there is no way whatsoever that anyone can inject traffic on that communication line, masquerading himself with another self-signed certificate pretending to be you, then self-signing is perfectly safe. But then you probably have limited need of SSL at all.

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                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                  SSL have two purposes: 1. Add a level of cryptography to the communication between client and server. For that a self signed certificate more than enough.. 2. Prove to client (and sometimes the other way around) that the server is who he claims to be. For that you have to choose a 3rd party - trusted by the client - and get certificate from him...

                  I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

                  "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    Do you need the certificate just for your own needs and to get the technology working? Use a self signed certificate. If the purpose that your customers should be protected from man in the middle attacks, use a reputable certificate that actually check who you are.

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                    Could someone list of couple of places for ones that are reputable? I was looking at Namecheap.com the other day, still trying to figure out one for a decent price, but that I wouldn't have any complications with at the same time.

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                    • K kmoorevs

                      An upcoming project requires SSL on our webserver, so I have been checking on certificates from different sources. We already use Thawte for code signing and it would be nice to manage all the certificates together plus I would think that the screening/verification process could be skipped when adding a service. Anyway, so I go check at Thawte first...looks like the one I need is $149/yr. Checking around, I found ssls.com[^] and notice that the same certificate there is only $29/yr. :wtf: Is there anything I should be aware of when going through a reseller?..I mean, that's quite a difference. Anybody used them? (ssls.com) Does CP sell ssl certs? I thought they did, but searching the site turns up nothing today.

                      "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                      adudley256
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                      If you use Windows tools, and want an easy life, don't get one that is 'extra validation' from Entrust.... few of the GUI tools support it, leaving you at the command line... while not 'hard', it's not simple or nice!

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                      • K kmoorevs

                        An upcoming project requires SSL on our webserver, so I have been checking on certificates from different sources. We already use Thawte for code signing and it would be nice to manage all the certificates together plus I would think that the screening/verification process could be skipped when adding a service. Anyway, so I go check at Thawte first...looks like the one I need is $149/yr. Checking around, I found ssls.com[^] and notice that the same certificate there is only $29/yr. :wtf: Is there anything I should be aware of when going through a reseller?..I mean, that's quite a difference. Anybody used them? (ssls.com) Does CP sell ssl certs? I thought they did, but searching the site turns up nothing today.

                        "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                        tchris
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                        We use Entrust and so do some of our banking partners. Their cloud based management tool allows us to manage things once we've order the first time around. We used VeriSign but found that Entrust was just as good and was a little cheaper.

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                        • K kmoorevs

                          An upcoming project requires SSL on our webserver, so I have been checking on certificates from different sources. We already use Thawte for code signing and it would be nice to manage all the certificates together plus I would think that the screening/verification process could be skipped when adding a service. Anyway, so I go check at Thawte first...looks like the one I need is $149/yr. Checking around, I found ssls.com[^] and notice that the same certificate there is only $29/yr. :wtf: Is there anything I should be aware of when going through a reseller?..I mean, that's quite a difference. Anybody used them? (ssls.com) Does CP sell ssl certs? I thought they did, but searching the site turns up nothing today.

                          "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                          Dan Wea
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                          I have used GoDaddy's SSL. They are fairly cheap and they have some good tutorials.

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            Free is rarely worth the price. Generally better to pay for quality.

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            KP Lee
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                            PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                            Free is rarely worth the price.

                            True, that. Do you know if the free ones even use encryption to transfer data? Considering the messages I've seen on some HTTPS sites, some people don't even know how to use the encryption certificate to encrypt the page. (I admit it, I don't know how to do that, because I haven't worked with SSIS licensing services.)

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                            • K KP Lee

                              PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                              Free is rarely worth the price.

                              True, that. Do you know if the free ones even use encryption to transfer data? Considering the messages I've seen on some HTTPS sites, some people don't even know how to use the encryption certificate to encrypt the page. (I admit it, I don't know how to do that, because I haven't worked with SSIS licensing services.)

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              I have no idea. I don't touch the stuff.

                              You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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