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Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast. http://www.salon.com/mwt/wire/2003/03/11/fries/index.html[^] everybody knows France is opposed to "freedom". duh. i can't wait for Freedom Kissing, Freedom Bread and Freedom Cuffs. then maybe we can start getting rid of all the French words in the English language. then we'd be speaking... oh yeah, German. -c
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How sad can you get? I mean - "Freedom Fries". They could at least have the decency to serve chips during their so-called "boycott". :rolleyes: An official spokesman caught eaving a strip joint cafe earlier today laid down the UK Government position very clearly: If they continue to dishonour the UK in this disgusting manner, we'll be forced to withdraw our support and export the EU Baguette mountain to Washington in retaliation. So there you have it. ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
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How does Bush plan to earn money? Not that I am defending Bush. I'd just like to understand how.
I thought that was cliear, just by controlling Iraq's oil.
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tidge wrote: a few years ago France earned a lot of money in trade with Iraq Yep, that's true, but the main difference is that France made money pacifically whilst Bush (not US) wants to earn money by means of a war.
You believe to much of the junk you read. The idea that Bush wants a war to help the economy is ridiculous. Nobody wants to see pictures of bodybags coming back from the Gulf, or pictures of bombed out rubble. You seem to have forgotten the efforts that have been going into trying to get Saddaam to live up to an agreement made 12 years ago. The UN coalition granted SH a cease fire in '91 contingent on him ceasing his WMD programs and inspections. He also agreed to not fly fixed wing aircraft over the no-fly zones. Of course that didn't stop him from flying helicopters into the Northern no fly zone to attack the Kurds. The only reason he resumed inspections after kicking out the inpectors he agreed to 4 years ago was because the US has forced him to, period. You ought to realize what SH is about and look at the real motivations behind all of the people involved are. Don't just believe the Left leaning (or Right leaning) crap you see in the media. The truth tends to fall somewhere in between Rush Limbaugh and Phil Donahue. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Because why? You think France and Germany don't have a substantial amount to lose if the U.N. comes down on Iraq?
tidge wrote: Because why? You think France and Germany don't have a substantial amount to lose if the U.N. comes down on Iraq? Oh, I agree with you, they have. And I'm not so innocent to believe anyone in the world will spend billions of dolars in a war to "save the innocent" from "Hussein's tirany". I just don't like biased articles using misleading reasoning to make their point. Read again: "It is France that is truly motivated by oil politics, and Germany that is motivated by economics, not the U.S." Now, I stopped reading the article, because the writer is trying to prove US is NOT motivated by oil politics just saying that their counterparts are. It's simplistic and an offense to the reader's IQ.
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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Well just becuase we may disagree, doesn't mean there is not some truth in another person's opinions. Sometimes we disagree because there is truth in other people's opinions. In any case, we all have a choice to decide what we read. I just hope my opinions are informed before I let my knee jerk.
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Kevnar wrote: Well just becuase we may disagree, doesn't mean there is not some truth in another person's opinions. Sometimes we disagree because there is truth in other people's opinions. Like I wrote to tidge, just don't like biased articles using misleading reasoning to make their point. Read again: "It is France that is truly motivated by oil politics, and Germany that is motivated by economics, not the U.S." Now, I stopped reading the article, because the writer is trying to prove US is NOT motivated by oil politics just saying that their counterparts are. It's simplistic and an offense to the reader's IQ. It's just like saying: "It is C that has a scary syntax for beginners, not C++". You are trying to prove that C++ has a nice syntax for beginners just because C also has such a syntax. The article is full of this kind of contradiction and simplistic reasoning. So, I don't mind reading opinions contrary to mine. Actually, contrary to most people, I like doing it, because then I'll have more arguments when I try to prove my points. Reading something you agree with won't give you as many arguments...
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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I thought that was cliear, just by controlling Iraq's oil.
But the oil has always been there? If it was because of the oil, why wouldn't this have happened already? Couldn't it have anything to do with the fact that Saddam has yet to come into compliance with agreements he signed years ago? But then, you could make the counter-point asking "Then why is it now becoming an issue?" The only facts, are statements made by Bush saying that intelligences shows him terrorism flowing through Iraq, he sees them as a threat, and to top it off they have weapons of mass distruction that could be aqcuired by terrorists (not to mention those weapons are illegal and Iraq has already said they don't exist). What will controlling Iraq's oil do? Is the U.S. going to say "Hey, we own all the oil in Iraq now, and the U.S. gets it all for free?" I would be surprised if this were the case, but we'll have to wait and see. Should that be the case, the U.N. should come down on the U.S. Currently the U.S. gets more oil from Saudi Arabia and Mexico than they do from Iraq.
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Richard Stringer wrote: I would rather be called a Texan - that most superior form of American. If called a yank it had best be done at long range. Do Brits like being called a "Limey ". Do most even know where that term came from ?. Just so you know, most South Africans would have a good chuckle and fob you off if you announced yourself as a Texan. We associate Texans with GWB and J. R. Ewing from Dallas. i.e. Not good. Just a tip :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: We associate Texans with GWB and J. R. Ewing from Dallas. We can take this down several paths. To be stereo typed based on politicians and actors roles could get interesting. http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html[^] FYI: GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut so yes by most standards he could be called a yank. Sorry George. Also you are generally accepted as a transplant if you father a Texan. We will skip the discussion of other options for President, This is the lounge:) http://www.dallasnet.co.uk/LHAD.htm[^] Larry was born in Weatherford, Texas, (that is just west of Fort Worth, where the west begins :-D ) his parents separated when he was five and he spent much of his childhood with his grandmother in Los Angeles. So although he is a Texan, Hollywood has taken it's toll. I need to take you to the Railhead BBQ. Which leads me to story. A friend had never seen the local watermelon (they are orange not red) and when he asked the farmer what is was the farmer made a comment about him being a yank. Well I have never seen this mild manner fellow get his dander up so quickly. His response was "Sir, I may be new to Texas but never call anyone born and raise in Richmond a Yankee!" (That's in Virginia, Capital of the Confederacy) Now the farmer was wise enough to offer a very sincere apology. What is interesting is we do work with a number of Brits and he has no offence at all with them calling him a yank. So it is all in context. ""
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Richard Stringer wrote: Do Brits like being called a "Limey ". I think you'll find most Brits wouldn't care less if you called them most things, even to their face. Richard Stringer wrote: Do most even know where that term came from ?. I do! My dad told me years ago when I heard it mentioned on the telly and didn't know what it was! I can remember getting all embrassed as soon as I called out "what's a Limey?" as I was going through that phase at the time, where everything I said I somehow became very conscious of it having 'another' meaning. Like the time I asked what a tampon was... :laugh:
David Wulff
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David Wulff wrote: I think you'll find most Brits wouldn't care less if you called them most things, even to their face. I still remember the glare I got when I called that Irishman (who grew up in Scotland, boy what an accent), English :rolleyes: I am also smart enough to know when an immediate apology is in order. ""
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But the oil has always been there? If it was because of the oil, why wouldn't this have happened already? Couldn't it have anything to do with the fact that Saddam has yet to come into compliance with agreements he signed years ago? But then, you could make the counter-point asking "Then why is it now becoming an issue?" The only facts, are statements made by Bush saying that intelligences shows him terrorism flowing through Iraq, he sees them as a threat, and to top it off they have weapons of mass distruction that could be aqcuired by terrorists (not to mention those weapons are illegal and Iraq has already said they don't exist). What will controlling Iraq's oil do? Is the U.S. going to say "Hey, we own all the oil in Iraq now, and the U.S. gets it all for free?" I would be surprised if this were the case, but we'll have to wait and see. Should that be the case, the U.N. should come down on the U.S. Currently the U.S. gets more oil from Saudi Arabia and Mexico than they do from Iraq.
tidge wrote: But the oil has always been there? If it was because of the oil, why wouldn't this have happened already? G. Bush jr was not the president. As soon as he becomes president he started to plan this war, long before the sept. 11th tidge wrote: The only facts, are statements made by Bush saying that intelligences shows him terrorism flowing through Iraq Facts, which facts. They were not able to show a single evidence of the connection with the terrorism. Moreover, C. Powell presented false proofs ... tidge wrote: Currently the U.S. gets more oil from Saudi Arabia and Mexico than they do from Iraq Yeah, but now they want Iraq's oil.
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Kevnar wrote: Well just becuase we may disagree, doesn't mean there is not some truth in another person's opinions. Sometimes we disagree because there is truth in other people's opinions. Like I wrote to tidge, just don't like biased articles using misleading reasoning to make their point. Read again: "It is France that is truly motivated by oil politics, and Germany that is motivated by economics, not the U.S." Now, I stopped reading the article, because the writer is trying to prove US is NOT motivated by oil politics just saying that their counterparts are. It's simplistic and an offense to the reader's IQ. It's just like saying: "It is C that has a scary syntax for beginners, not C++". You are trying to prove that C++ has a nice syntax for beginners just because C also has such a syntax. The article is full of this kind of contradiction and simplistic reasoning. So, I don't mind reading opinions contrary to mine. Actually, contrary to most people, I like doing it, because then I'll have more arguments when I try to prove my points. Reading something you agree with won't give you as many arguments...
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
Whether or not the US is motivated by oil politics is purely a matter of conjecture. No matter how "obvious" it seems, it's still just an assumption. Many people simply take the peacenik rhetoric as gospel though, then they accuse dissidents to this theory of "blindly following Bush's war mongering", or whatever. I'm all for peace, but if there's a mad man on the loose I want the world powers to do something about it, oil or no oil. If you ask me, this whole war is the fault of the automobile corporations. If they'd have just come out with an affordable electric car already we wouldn't be so dependent on oil. Problem solved. Cleaner air and world peace in one move. Or perhaps it's the oil companies's who are paying off the automobile industry. Or perhaps it's the world banks who own all the oil companies! Or perhaps it's the Vatican's secret plot for world domination who own all the world banks! (So says my eccentric uncle. I don't give much credibility to conspiracy theories.) Perhaps it's all the fault of the Loyal Order Of Stonecutters...:suss:
"How many more people have to die before no one ever dies again?" - Daniel Haley, The Onion
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tidge wrote: Because why? You think France and Germany don't have a substantial amount to lose if the U.N. comes down on Iraq? Oh, I agree with you, they have. And I'm not so innocent to believe anyone in the world will spend billions of dolars in a war to "save the innocent" from "Hussein's tirany". I just don't like biased articles using misleading reasoning to make their point. Read again: "It is France that is truly motivated by oil politics, and Germany that is motivated by economics, not the U.S." Now, I stopped reading the article, because the writer is trying to prove US is NOT motivated by oil politics just saying that their counterparts are. It's simplistic and an offense to the reader's IQ.
It's not the fall that kills you: it's the sudden stop - Down by Law, Jim Jamursch (1986)
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tidge wrote: But the oil has always been there? If it was because of the oil, why wouldn't this have happened already? G. Bush jr was not the president. As soon as he becomes president he started to plan this war, long before the sept. 11th tidge wrote: The only facts, are statements made by Bush saying that intelligences shows him terrorism flowing through Iraq Facts, which facts. They were not able to show a single evidence of the connection with the terrorism. Moreover, C. Powell presented false proofs ... tidge wrote: Currently the U.S. gets more oil from Saudi Arabia and Mexico than they do from Iraq Yeah, but now they want Iraq's oil.
They weren't able to show a single piece of evidence....to you. It was stated that they are sharing this information with allies. You can't always drop all your evidence for the world to see before you are ready to act on it. If you do, you compromise the security of your sources. I said the facts were the actual statments by Bush. If we go to war, once it has started I would hope he would produce this information for everyone to see. Somehow I doubt it. He hasn't impressed me much as of late (ever). When I was in the military (mid to late 90's) we had picture proof of terrorist camps within Iraq. Good portions of the war have been being planned, and fine tuned for years. To say Bush has been planning it for years is just speculation. To say "Now they want Iraq's oil" is just speculation. Finally, at the end of the day, the fact still remains that Iraq hasn't dissarmed as they were supposed to.
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Jack Knife wrote: and I apologize to Paul No need, I was not offended or angered. My reply above actually was semi-serious. BTW, is Jack Knife your real name? Got a track here, techno, that goes on about "Jack the Knife... yeah, yeah, Jack the Knife."
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
No, actually not, it is a name that I picked up shortly after college when I started playing StarCraft on BattleNet and also later with Unreal Tournament. It has just kind of stuck with me over the years.
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How sad can you get? I mean - "Freedom Fries". They could at least have the decency to serve chips during their so-called "boycott". :rolleyes: An official spokesman caught eaving a strip joint cafe earlier today laid down the UK Government position very clearly: If they continue to dishonour the UK in this disgusting manner, we'll be forced to withdraw our support and export the EU Baguette mountain to Washington in retaliation. So there you have it. ;P Anna :rose: www.annasplace.me.uk
"Be yourself - not what others think you should be"
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: They could at least have the decency to serve chips *cough* I may be shunned for this (like anyone needs a new reason to shun me...), but i'm not a huge fan of chips. They're not *bad*, i'd just rather eat a potato prepared in almost any other way. Sliced wafer thin and fried covered in salt, they lose a lot, IMHO. Baked whole, mashed, whipped, or sliced into spears and fried, they are *much* improved... ...and yes, i do know you lot all call fries "chips" - but we're using that name for too many other things already. ---
My whole life I've practiced the art of self-sabotage -- fearing success perhaps even more than fearing failure. I think I have got this flareup resolved, but I'm constantly waiting to see what new and exciting ways I can spoil my chances for a better life. - koreykruse, Compulsive Skin Picking
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Chuckle they can -Texans like a good laugh and often make fun of themselves - fobing one off may be dangerous to ones health however. To be associated with GWB is a GOOD thing. J.R. was what 30 years ago - don't yall get anything newer than that. You really don't want to know what most Texans think of South Africans either. It has something to do with pith hats and old land Rovers and running thru the jungle behind gun bearers wearing khaki shorts and singing "KumBaya" :) Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
Richard Stringer wrote: J.R. was what 30 years ago - don't yall get anything newer than that Not from Texas. I guess you guys have very little culture to export, so you milk what you have... ;) If you don't mind me saying actually hearing a yank say "y'all" cracks me up. If ever there was a stereotype that rang true, that would be it. Nothing wrong with it mind you, just funny to hear for folk who never say even "you all." Richard Stringer wrote: It has something to do with pith hats and old land Rovers and running thru the jungle behind gun bearers wearing khaki shorts and singing "KumBaya :-D Man if only I could live that stereotype! p.s. There are very few jungles in South Africa. Mainly desert and savanah :)
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Paul Watson wrote: We associate Texans with GWB and J. R. Ewing from Dallas. We can take this down several paths. To be stereo typed based on politicians and actors roles could get interesting. http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/gwbbio.html[^] FYI: GWB was born in New Haven, Connecticut so yes by most standards he could be called a yank. Sorry George. Also you are generally accepted as a transplant if you father a Texan. We will skip the discussion of other options for President, This is the lounge:) http://www.dallasnet.co.uk/LHAD.htm[^] Larry was born in Weatherford, Texas, (that is just west of Fort Worth, where the west begins :-D ) his parents separated when he was five and he spent much of his childhood with his grandmother in Los Angeles. So although he is a Texan, Hollywood has taken it's toll. I need to take you to the Railhead BBQ. Which leads me to story. A friend had never seen the local watermelon (they are orange not red) and when he asked the farmer what is was the farmer made a comment about him being a yank. Well I have never seen this mild manner fellow get his dander up so quickly. His response was "Sir, I may be new to Texas but never call anyone born and raise in Richmond a Yankee!" (That's in Virginia, Capital of the Confederacy) Now the farmer was wise enough to offer a very sincere apology. What is interesting is we do work with a number of Brits and he has no offence at all with them calling him a yank. So it is all in context. ""
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: What is interesting is we do work with a number of Brits and he has no offence at all with them calling him a yank. So it is all in context. Amazing stuff. It reminds me of Americanised blacks here in South Africa. If I went up to one called them "my nigger", my family would probably be burying me later this week. But between themselves, black to black, it is perfectly legit to say and even a mark of respect. Watered down versions of this happen right here on CP with regulars able to say far more inflamatory things to other regulars without offending them. But if a newbie said it, or a regular said it to a newbie, then there would be hell.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: because on CP anyone pro-American always gets flamed No, anyone blindly pro-American gets flamed. People with well thought out support of America are welcome. Just as blind American hatred is also flamed but well thought out anti-Americanism is welcome. Just as blind religious rhetoric is flamed but... you get the picture :) * Ok, ok, so that is the way it SHOULD be. Some nuts just flame anything they remotely dislike
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Stan Shannon wrote: Really sucks for a good southern boy to be called a "Yank" doesn't it? Would Yank be considered a really bad word to use for an American? Or is it only really offensive to Southerners? I don't mean bad as in you, or they, might get a bit offended. Bad as in if I said it at Grand Central in New York (or wherever the word is taboo) I would be promptly pushed onto the rails and then hung up as an example? e.g. Like Kafir is a no-no word in South Africa. Thing is a lot of movies use it (don't reply with "That is the movies Paul" because we would never use Kafir in a movie even) and from my understanding it is quite a light, jovial term. Like redneck or hillbilly.
Paul Watson
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: I don't mean bad as in you, or they, might get a bit offended. Bad as in if I said it at Grand Central in New York (or wherever the word is taboo) I would be promptly pushed onto the rails and then hung up as an example? e.g. Like Kafir is a no-no word in South Africa. Actually I don't consider "Yank" to be an insult at all. To me it simply refers to people from the Northern states, and sounds odd when applied to all of us in general. Like the song says: "...300,000 Yankees lay stiff in Southern dust, We got 300,000 before they conqured us. They died of Southern fever and Southern steel and shot, I wish it was 3 million instead of what we got..." :) Actually, though, I'm married to a nice Yankee girl from Indiana, so I can't hold a grudge. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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Freedom Fries and Freedom Toast. http://www.salon.com/mwt/wire/2003/03/11/fries/index.html[^] everybody knows France is opposed to "freedom". duh. i can't wait for Freedom Kissing, Freedom Bread and Freedom Cuffs. then maybe we can start getting rid of all the French words in the English language. then we'd be speaking... oh yeah, German. -c
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