Windows 8 and Norton Antivirus just made me chuckle
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Irina Pykhova wrote:
I doubt that you can uninstall Norton antivirus from Control Panel at all
..which classifies it as unwanted. Anything the local admin cannot remove and that gets updated from the outside is a huge security risk. Also does not add that much extra security; most virii would not go over the control panel to cripple a scanner. If the removal tool can remove it, then why not make it an (control panel) applet and have it there for everyone who has the access-right to it?
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)) again, what is local admin in your understanding? Sounds like a person who only allows remote updates for viruses. I don't have any admins and I can remove it, while I understand that it might be complicated to remove from simple uninstaller as it includes drivers. Antivirus software must update virus definitions without any admins. If it doesn't do so, viruses won't ask you whether your admin allows them to update. So many people get salary for administration and don't understand what they really should do
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Trouble is that the original Norton Utilities were really, really good: useful tools that actually worked. Then the accountants took over and Money became the first, last and only important factor. The product quality could go hang and if trying to get the damn thing off a machine was difficult (if not near impossible) then the chances are that most people will give up trying and fork over the cash on a regular basis. I think that's why you nearly always get a free year of the stupid thing preinstalled with a new PC.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
I agree. I posted some issue on their forums. Looks like they don't have enough resources to test everything on different systems. Or they just go MS way - sell it first and then fix issues if you can. But do you know companies whose products are perfect in all things? I suppose any antivirus will have something of this kind
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I agree. I posted some issue on their forums. Looks like they don't have enough resources to test everything on different systems. Or they just go MS way - sell it first and then fix issues if you can. But do you know companies whose products are perfect in all things? I suppose any antivirus will have something of this kind
Irina Pykhova wrote:
do you know companies whose products are perfect in all things?
Mine. OK, OK, that's a lie. (Actually a huge lie, but who's counting?) Trouble is, I've never seen a single system - even one which has only the preinstalled software - that can comfortably work with and / or remove NAV. And if they can't get that right when they have (in theory) full knowledge of the hardware and software it makes me think that it is not accidental but a deliberate "feature" designed to keep the software on the machine and hopefully rake in some money. Which in my mind is virus activity! :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Irina Pykhova wrote:
do you know companies whose products are perfect in all things?
Mine. OK, OK, that's a lie. (Actually a huge lie, but who's counting?) Trouble is, I've never seen a single system - even one which has only the preinstalled software - that can comfortably work with and / or remove NAV. And if they can't get that right when they have (in theory) full knowledge of the hardware and software it makes me think that it is not accidental but a deliberate "feature" designed to keep the software on the machine and hopefully rake in some money. Which in my mind is virus activity! :laugh:
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
have you heard that Windows must die? Or what the hell happened to Internet Explorer on x64 machines? The world is not perfect. About "even preinstalled" - IMHO, it's the source of problem. I don't remember preinstalled things which bothered about updates or whether they have been properly installed. You've got something a bit old with a bit old antivirus and a bit old drivers and a bunch of trial apps which you never wanted, who knows how it supposed to work. I usually remove the most of preinstalled stuff first and then make it my way. And after that even Symantec works :)
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Just had the following chuckle, a collegue at work is setting up a HP X2[^] First thing he did on the laptop is remove the virus called Norton Anti virus and now Windows 8 has been doing a repair for over an hour. currently he is speechless on the whole event..
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About a dozen years ago, I got Norton Anti-Virus free with some tax software and installed it. I believe it was on a Windows 2000, though it may have been right when XP came out. It caused all sorts of problems, so I uninstalled it. It rendered my Windows almost unusable. I could get online and do nothing else, including seeing the file system (or starting a console) or I could open a console (I seriously could not do both at the same time.) I rescued what could be rescued and then reinstalled Windows without Norton. Oddly enough, I've used Symantec Enterprise since then at several jobs and never had a problem with it. (At one point, I tried McAfee. It didn't cause any performance problems, but didn't catch a virus one of my kids "downloaded" from a legitimate teen site.)
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Just had the following chuckle, a collegue at work is setting up a HP X2[^] First thing he did on the laptop is remove the virus called Norton Anti virus and now Windows 8 has been doing a repair for over an hour. currently he is speechless on the whole event..
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
When bored I entertain myself by going to the Funan Centre[^], ordering a desktop and after all the paperwork is done I ask what bloatware is installed, when they refuse to remove the crap I can cancel the order and walk out in a huff. When I actually need a desktop I go to a small operator who has a bunch of tools for bloatware removal - great people.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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When bored I entertain myself by going to the Funan Centre[^], ordering a desktop and after all the paperwork is done I ask what bloatware is installed, when they refuse to remove the crap I can cancel the order and walk out in a huff. When I actually need a desktop I go to a small operator who has a bunch of tools for bloatware removal - great people.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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It's complex to remove, but I found the same process John McAfee recommends[^] for McAfee Antivirus works fine as well.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
Thanks for warning about it being borderline NSFW. X|
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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When bored I entertain myself by going to the Funan Centre[^], ordering a desktop and after all the paperwork is done I ask what bloatware is installed, when they refuse to remove the crap I can cancel the order and walk out in a huff. When I actually need a desktop I go to a small operator who has a bunch of tools for bloatware removal - great people.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
Mycroft Holmes wrote:
When bored I entertain myself by going to the Funan Centre[^], ordering a desktop and after all the paperwork is done I ask what bloatware is installed, when they refuse to remove the crap I can cancel the order and walk out in a huff. When I actually need a desktop I go to a small operator who has a bunch of tools for bloatware removal - great people.
You are a right prick, aren't you. I reckon I went to the Funan Centre in late 1999 or early 2000. By Christ I walked away with a very large collection of software at the time.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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Mycroft Holmes wrote:
When bored I entertain myself by going to the Funan Centre[^], ordering a desktop and after all the paperwork is done I ask what bloatware is installed, when they refuse to remove the crap I can cancel the order and walk out in a huff. When I actually need a desktop I go to a small operator who has a bunch of tools for bloatware removal - great people.
You are a right prick, aren't you. I reckon I went to the Funan Centre in late 1999 or early 2000. By Christ I walked away with a very large collection of software at the time.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
You are a right prick, aren't you
True, there is no value in growing old gracefully. Around 2000 stuff from Funan could be considered value, not any more, they shut down the pirates and it is nearly all big operators in small shops. There are a couple with 4-5 outlets in the building, weird way of setting up.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
