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  • J J Patel

    One of the things I have been thinking is whether Zim lost delibrately to allow their friend Kenya to go to SF. Kenya and Zimbabwe are no friends! Just because they come from the same continent doesn't really mean we are 'friends'. <rant> One of the things that irks me the most is after talking to so many indians here (not on CP, but at work) is that most of them are so reluctant to give Kenya any credit for their wins. One of my friendcolleague claims (without any proof ofcourse) that the SL V kenya game was fixed, without even thinking rationally why SL would throw that game (pre Super 6 game). Let me ask you this, if Kenya had lost to Zim (as most of you expected) would the 'thought' that Kenya lost to their 'friends' Zim to keep their (zim's) SF hopes alive have entered your mind?? </rant>

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    I think Kenya has been playing very well this World Cup, considering how new they are into Cricket. Yes, a few things have favoured them, like NZ giving up the match, but it's none of their fault and credit should not be taken away from them. Even when they lose, they lose with dignity, after playing well. And in the past, they have beaten West Indies in the World Cup and India twice in some other series. So the team cannot be dismissed lightly at all. The team has a lot of potential, and the coach Sandip Patil will really have a ball on the Semi Final day. If India wins, his patriotic side will be happy. If Kenya wins, the professional inside him will be happy.
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    Rohit Sinha

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      One of the things I have been thinking is whether Zim lost delibrately to allow their friend Kenya to go to SF. Kenya and Zimbabwe are no friends! Just because they come from the same continent doesn't really mean we are 'friends'. <rant> One of the things that irks me the most is after talking to so many indians here (not on CP, but at work) is that most of them are so reluctant to give Kenya any credit for their wins. One of my friendcolleague claims (without any proof ofcourse) that the SL V kenya game was fixed, without even thinking rationally why SL would throw that game (pre Super 6 game). Let me ask you this, if Kenya had lost to Zim (as most of you expected) would the 'thought' that Kenya lost to their 'friends' Zim to keep their (zim's) SF hopes alive have entered your mind?? </rant>

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      Rama Krishna Vavilala
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      J Patel wrote: most of them are so reluctant to give Kenya any credit When I saw Zim 131/10 , I was not surprised. As long a Kenya was 62/3 I had no doubts. I was expecting to see Kenya win by 3-4 wickets. But when I saw too many no balls being balled by Zimbabwe and the match getting finished so quickly, doubts entered into my mind that Zim did not fight. If there was one person(in CP) who hoped that Kenya will make it to Super Six that was me. But the fact that it happened so easily that got me. I had the same doubts with India vs SL when SL got out so cheaply.

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        If Aussies throw the match against Kenya, and India lose against NZ, will it still be Ind vs Kenya My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

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        Yes, it'll still be India vs Kenya. Suppose for a moment that Aus loses to Kenya and India loses to NZ. Now, Aus - 20 points Kenya - 18 points India - 16 points NZ - 12 points SL and Zim are out Now, the teams ending up at 2nd and 3rd positions will play each other in the Semis, ie India and Kenya.
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        Rohit Sinha

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          J Patel wrote: most of them are so reluctant to give Kenya any credit When I saw Zim 131/10 , I was not surprised. As long a Kenya was 62/3 I had no doubts. I was expecting to see Kenya win by 3-4 wickets. But when I saw too many no balls being balled by Zimbabwe and the match getting finished so quickly, doubts entered into my mind that Zim did not fight. If there was one person(in CP) who hoped that Kenya will make it to Super Six that was me. But the fact that it happened so easily that got me. I had the same doubts with India vs SL when SL got out so cheaply.

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          Rama Krishna wrote: I had the same doubts with India vs SL when SL got out so cheaply. Rama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :can't believe my eyes emoticon: How could you? :omg:
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          Rohit Sinha

          Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
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            J Patel wrote: most of them are so reluctant to give Kenya any credit When I saw Zim 131/10 , I was not surprised. As long a Kenya was 62/3 I had no doubts. I was expecting to see Kenya win by 3-4 wickets. But when I saw too many no balls being balled by Zimbabwe and the match getting finished so quickly, doubts entered into my mind that Zim did not fight. If there was one person(in CP) who hoped that Kenya will make it to Super Six that was me. But the fact that it happened so easily that got me. I had the same doubts with India vs SL when SL got out so cheaply.

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            Rama Krishna wrote: But when I saw too many no balls being balled by Zimbabwe and the match getting finished so quickly, doubts entered into my mind that Zim did not fight. Does that still make it a deliberate loss on Zim part for their 'friends' to make it into the SF? Rama Krishna wrote: If there was one person(in CP) who hoped that Kenya will make it to Super Six that was me. Make that 2 people on CP even though I am not as visible as others are. Rama Krishna wrote: But the fact that it happened so easily that got me. Are you taking about Kenya making it into the Super Six or the fact that Kenya beat Zim so easily? Jignesh

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            • J J Patel

              Rama Krishna wrote: But when I saw too many no balls being balled by Zimbabwe and the match getting finished so quickly, doubts entered into my mind that Zim did not fight. Does that still make it a deliberate loss on Zim part for their 'friends' to make it into the SF? Rama Krishna wrote: If there was one person(in CP) who hoped that Kenya will make it to Super Six that was me. Make that 2 people on CP even though I am not as visible as others are. Rama Krishna wrote: But the fact that it happened so easily that got me. Are you taking about Kenya making it into the Super Six or the fact that Kenya beat Zim so easily? Jignesh

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              J Patel wrote: Kenya beat Zim so easily? That's what surprised me. It was too easy of a win

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                Rama Krishna wrote: I had the same doubts with India vs SL when SL got out so cheaply. Rama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :can't believe my eyes emoticon: How could you? :omg:
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                Rohit Sinha

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                Rohit  Sinha wrote: How could you? SL top batsmen getting out on 14/4 didn't that surprise you. I almost thought that I was dreaming.

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                  Rohit  Sinha wrote: How could you? SL top batsmen getting out on 14/4 didn't that surprise you. I almost thought that I was dreaming.

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                  Yes, but don't take any credit away from our bowlers. :((
                  Regards,

                  Rohit Sinha

                  Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
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                    Rama Krishna wrote: Kenya has a better chance of making it to finals when playing against India than with any other country. If ever I had any doubts about India reaching the finals, they are now removed. :laugh: Rama, ladies and gentlemen, has spoken! :-D
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                    Rohit Sinha

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                    Since we lost the smei-finals in 1987 against England I have lost my ability to be sure with India. They did it again in 1996 when they lost to Sri Lanka. People even postponed minor exams during that period hoping that India will reach the finals. This time I am trying not be be too confident with the India team.

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                    • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                      Since we lost the smei-finals in 1987 against England I have lost my ability to be sure with India. They did it again in 1996 when they lost to Sri Lanka. People even postponed minor exams during that period hoping that India will reach the finals. This time I am trying not be be too confident with the India team.

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                      Rama Krishna wrote: People even postponed minor exams during that period hoping that India will reach the finals. :laugh: Even this year, there were several attempts to get the 10th and 12th standard Board exams postponed, so that the students can watch the matches without feeling guilty about neglecting their studies. But you are right. There is no telling with India. Absolutely anything can happen. :~
                      Regards,

                      Rohit Sinha

                      Character is like a tree, and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing.
                      - Abraham Lincoln

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                      • J J Patel

                        One of the things I have been thinking is whether Zim lost delibrately to allow their friend Kenya to go to SF. Kenya and Zimbabwe are no friends! Just because they come from the same continent doesn't really mean we are 'friends'. <rant> One of the things that irks me the most is after talking to so many indians here (not on CP, but at work) is that most of them are so reluctant to give Kenya any credit for their wins. One of my friendcolleague claims (without any proof ofcourse) that the SL V kenya game was fixed, without even thinking rationally why SL would throw that game (pre Super 6 game). Let me ask you this, if Kenya had lost to Zim (as most of you expected) would the 'thought' that Kenya lost to their 'friends' Zim to keep their (zim's) SF hopes alive have entered your mind?? </rant>

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                        I said the same thing about Ind-SL game too. I don't mean to take away the credit from Kenyans. The way SL's top batsmen got out (in both the matches), it was very suspicious. If I remember correctly, they were one of the favorites. It is sad that we are thinking like that! Kavitha

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                          I said the same thing about Ind-SL game too. I don't mean to take away the credit from Kenyans. The way SL's top batsmen got out (in both the matches), it was very suspicious. If I remember correctly, they were one of the favorites. It is sad that we are thinking like that! Kavitha

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                          Relax Sama.. :) Kavitha Sama wrote: It is sad that we are thinking like that! It is sad that people think like that. Personally those thoughts have never entered my mind. If a good team loses, hey they lost. If there is an upset, good! Maybe we should just sit back and enjoy the game a little more. Jignesh

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                            Relax Sama.. :) Kavitha Sama wrote: It is sad that we are thinking like that! It is sad that people think like that. Personally those thoughts have never entered my mind. If a good team loses, hey they lost. If there is an upset, good! Maybe we should just sit back and enjoy the game a little more. Jignesh

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                            J Patel wrote: Personally those thoughts have never entered my mind. If a good team loses, hey they lost. If there is an upset, good! Maybe we should just sit back and enjoy the game a little more. I guess the match-fixing scandal didn't affect you, that's good! Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in game as I used to. Kavitha

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                              J Patel wrote: Personally those thoughts have never entered my mind. If a good team loses, hey they lost. If there is an upset, good! Maybe we should just sit back and enjoy the game a little more. I guess the match-fixing scandal didn't affect you, that's good! Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in game as I used to. Kavitha

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                              Kavitha Sama wrote: I guess the match-fixing scandal didn't affect you, that's good! Unfortunately, I don't have the same faith in game as I used to. The Kenyans were never involved in any scandals (atleast to my knowledge) and I hope they never are. I guess I started ranting because some comments made about Kenya, implied that they too are involved in some fixing. Jignesh

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