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what is more reliable than ftp?

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  • S Simon Lee Shugar

    Pigeon "Pigeon flies past broadband in data speed race" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11325452[^]

    Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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    You beat me to it! Clickety.[^]

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      Torrents. Resumable on a 16kb block level, built-in integrity checks, clients are designed for sudden loss of connection. If things go really wrong, a "piece" will fail its hash-check and will be redownloaded. They're meant for P2P, but they also work fine with 1 seed and 1 peer, essentially acting like 1 server and 1 client. If there are multiple clients, they can limit their upload capacity if they want to.

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      Gets my vote! Normally I think of Torrents in the "Pirate Bay" sense - I'd never considered using them for a business system. But you're right - this is exactly one of the problems they were created to solve. :thumbsup:

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      • S Simon Lee Shugar

        Pigeon "Pigeon flies past broadband in data speed race" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11325452[^]

        Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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        MikeD 2
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        this looks great, do you need a license to operate the pigeon service?

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          Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I couldn't see that it fitted anywhere else either My clients regularly transfer largish files via ftp and everything generally works happily As they are in an expensive serviced office one client has transferred their internet connection over to a 4G solution to get much faster access without the corresponding bill and generally it works but.... as might be expected their ftp transfers now have many retries and failed transfers. Sometimes the transfer appears to be successful but the resulting file might be a small percentage of the correct file size Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to look at that might work better (more reliably) over the 4g network?

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          I've had good luck with BitTorrent Sync[^]...it's peer to peer, works on all platforms and it's free. Updated: Fixed link :-O

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            Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I couldn't see that it fitted anywhere else either My clients regularly transfer largish files via ftp and everything generally works happily As they are in an expensive serviced office one client has transferred their internet connection over to a 4G solution to get much faster access without the corresponding bill and generally it works but.... as might be expected their ftp transfers now have many retries and failed transfers. Sometimes the transfer appears to be successful but the resulting file might be a small percentage of the correct file size Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to look at that might work better (more reliably) over the 4g network?

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            Brisingr Aerowing
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            On the Torrent note, there is Bittorrent Sync[^], from the official Bittorrent Labs site. EDIT: Didn't read the message above mine! :-O

            What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?

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              I've had good luck with BitTorrent Sync[^]...it's peer to peer, works on all platforms and it's free. Updated: Fixed link :-O

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              Brisingr Aerowing
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              You beat me to it!

              What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?

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                Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I couldn't see that it fitted anywhere else either My clients regularly transfer largish files via ftp and everything generally works happily As they are in an expensive serviced office one client has transferred their internet connection over to a 4G solution to get much faster access without the corresponding bill and generally it works but.... as might be expected their ftp transfers now have many retries and failed transfers. Sometimes the transfer appears to be successful but the resulting file might be a small percentage of the correct file size Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to look at that might work better (more reliably) over the 4g network?

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                Argonia
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                Hard drives (SSD if you have the necessary funds) over the mail. And not the normal mail, but reliable courier firm :D

                Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                  You beat me to it!

                  What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?

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                  Heh.

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                  • S Simon Lee Shugar

                    Pigeon "Pigeon flies past broadband in data speed race" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11325452[^]

                    Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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                    We switched for pigeons two years ago, but had to switch back to slower data transfer since our main concurrent trained eagles to catch our data. I doubt they managed to decrypt them, even that they tried, but we lost a dozen of well-trained poultry and some business because they never arrived at destination. We contemplated training bats to frighten the eagles, but they would only fly at non-work hours, making the reception of the transfer complicated since we would have had to hire people working at (overpriced) night hours. We also still have an ostrich : my management was convinced we needed something big and looking mighty, but they did not realize ostrich could not fly. The eggs are great, but the smell is terrible though - I hate when I am on ostrich week.

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                    I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                      Hard drives (SSD if you have the necessary funds) over the mail. And not the normal mail, but reliable courier firm :D

                      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                      Did you know there is a name for that? It's called FedExNet[^] - and it is used for really fast transfer of really big data!

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                        We switched for pigeons two years ago, but had to switch back to slower data transfer since our main concurrent trained eagles to catch our data. I doubt they managed to decrypt them, even that they tried, but we lost a dozen of well-trained poultry and some business because they never arrived at destination. We contemplated training bats to frighten the eagles, but they would only fly at non-work hours, making the reception of the transfer complicated since we would have had to hire people working at (overpriced) night hours. We also still have an ostrich : my management was convinced we needed something big and looking mighty, but they did not realize ostrich could not fly. The eggs are great, but the smell is terrible though - I hate when I am on ostrich week.

                        ~RaGE();

                        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                        Simon Lee Shugar
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                        I was told Ostrich was the green option to replace smart cars, mini's and other small vechicles. All of our execs use them now. I'm unsure about some of the paint jobs.

                        Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer) www.simonshugar.co.uk "If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          Did you know there is a name for that? It's called FedExNet[^] - and it is used for really fast transfer of really big data!

                          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                          I didn't know up until you just told me :(

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                            I didn't know up until you just told me :(

                            Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                            So you've learned something, and that's always a good day! ;)

                            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              On the Torrent note, there is Bittorrent Sync[^], from the official Bittorrent Labs site. EDIT: Didn't read the message above mine! :-O

                              What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?

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                              Brisingr Aerowing wrote:

                              EDIT: Didn't read the message above mine! :O

                              Glad you did, your link works, the above does not.

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                                So you've learned something, and that's always a good day! ;)

                                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                Yes indeed. Thank you I noticed that the most new things I learn everyday come from CP. Strange isn't it ? :D

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                                  Yes indeed. Thank you I noticed that the most new things I learn everyday come from CP. Strange isn't it ? :D

                                  Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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                                  Yeah - but most them them are either rude or unreliable... :-D

                                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                  • M MikeD 2

                                    Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I couldn't see that it fitted anywhere else either My clients regularly transfer largish files via ftp and everything generally works happily As they are in an expensive serviced office one client has transferred their internet connection over to a 4G solution to get much faster access without the corresponding bill and generally it works but.... as might be expected their ftp transfers now have many retries and failed transfers. Sometimes the transfer appears to be successful but the resulting file might be a small percentage of the correct file size Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to look at that might work better (more reliably) over the 4g network?

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                                    You want MQtt - http://public.dhe.ibm.com/software/dw/webservices/ws-mqtt/mqtt-v3r1.html

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                                      Apologies if this is in the wrong place but I couldn't see that it fitted anywhere else either My clients regularly transfer largish files via ftp and everything generally works happily As they are in an expensive serviced office one client has transferred their internet connection over to a 4G solution to get much faster access without the corresponding bill and generally it works but.... as might be expected their ftp transfers now have many retries and failed transfers. Sometimes the transfer appears to be successful but the resulting file might be a small percentage of the correct file size Does anyone have any suggestions for alternatives to look at that might work better (more reliably) over the 4g network?

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                                      Thornik
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                                      You asked stupid question, because FTP _is_ reliable, since it works over TCP. Read about FTP's "block transfer mode" - exactly what you need for broken connections.

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                                        You asked stupid question, because FTP _is_ reliable, since it works over TCP. Read about FTP's "block transfer mode" - exactly what you need for broken connections.

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                                        MikeD 2
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                                        thank you for your opinion unfortunately the majority of ftp implementations do not have the option of "block transfer mode" preferring to implement the Stream mode instead.

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                                          thank you for your opinion unfortunately the majority of ftp implementations do not have the option of "block transfer mode" preferring to implement the Stream mode instead.

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                                          Thornik
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                                          But it's not a reason to name FTP as "unreliable", do you agree? :) EVERYTHING above TCP is reliable. And best "really working" way is rsync or torrent (as adviced above).

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