Malaysian Airlines have lost another plane
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I was asking the same question. I remember that at the beginning of the Kosovo war, I was flying from Montreal to Mumbai via Amsterdam; while waiting for the plane in Amsterdam, there was an announcement telling us that NATO started bombing Serbia, they had to recompute all air routes that passed in that area and get different national authorizations because they had to fly over different countries.
I'd rather be phishing!
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I'm not sure I'd get on another one of theirs[^]
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I'm not sure I would have gotten on that one! :|
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I'm not sure I'd get on another one of theirs[^]
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I'm not sure I'd get on another one of theirs[^]
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
They didn't "lose" the plane - it was shot out of the sky. The fun part is going to be watching the two most likely suspects pointing fingers at each other, heavily infused with righteous outrage from people of all nationalities who don't really give a shit. The plane was at 33k feet - and was evidently squawking it's IFF signal, because it was being tracked by your everyday internet flight trackers when it dropped off. That means that it wasn't accidental. Does Russia have technology to shoot down at plane at that altitude? Yes. Does Ukrain have the capability? Yes. Does the CIA have the technology? Yes. Who actually did it? We'll probably never know.
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I'm not sure I'd get on another one of theirs[^]
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
I'm not sure I would be flying over Ukraine at the moment (or, probably about 50% of the world for that matter.) Marc
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I'm not sure I would be flying over Ukraine at the moment (or, probably about 50% of the world for that matter.) Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
or, probably about 50% of the world for that matter
I would have mentioned that if you had not. There are very few flight path that do not take you over a conflict. Fortunately there are only a few conflict zones that have the capability of shooting down a airplane flying at a little over 10Km. Obviously, the Ukraine is one of them and should be avoided by commercial flights.
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I'm not sure I would be flying over Ukraine at the moment (or, probably about 50% of the world for that matter.) Marc
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The actual route is decided by the pilot taking into account guidance from their airline so as a passenger you don't get any say on that unless the airline publishes that guidance in which case you can decide whether to use them or not. In this case airspace was closed to commercial flights below 32000 foot and this was flying at 33000 which was believed to safe from the use of portable anti airraft weapons. Long range SAMs were not considered likely probably naively. I suspect following this airlines will avoid the area totally.
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The actual route is decided by the pilot taking into account guidance from their airline so as a passenger you don't get any say on that unless the airline publishes that guidance in which case you can decide whether to use them or not. In this case airspace was closed to commercial flights below 32000 foot and this was flying at 33000 which was believed to safe from the use of portable anti airraft weapons. Long range SAMs were not considered likely probably naively. I suspect following this airlines will avoid the area totally.
The anti-Kiev fighters had just bragged about capturing some Buk systems. And as far as I know they have no airforce so the govt forces don't need to use SAMs. They also bragged about downing a plane other than the Su-25 and hastily deleted the brag once news of civilian aircraft vanishing appeared :D
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The anti-Kiev fighters had just bragged about capturing some Buk systems. And as far as I know they have no airforce so the govt forces don't need to use SAMs. They also bragged about downing a plane other than the Su-25 and hastily deleted the brag once news of civilian aircraft vanishing appeared :D
The Buk system seems to a Soviet / Russian equivalent to the US Patriot...
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The actual route is decided by the pilot taking into account guidance from their airline so as a passenger you don't get any say on that unless the airline publishes that guidance in which case you can decide whether to use them or not. In this case airspace was closed to commercial flights below 32000 foot and this was flying at 33000 which was believed to safe from the use of portable anti airraft weapons. Long range SAMs were not considered likely probably naively. I suspect following this airlines will avoid the area totally.
greldak wrote:
In this case airspace was closed to commercial flights below 32000 foot and this was flying at 33000 which was believed to safe from the use of portable anti airraft weapons. Long range SAMs were not considered likely probably naively.
I suspect following this airlines will avoid the area totally.One can hope. :~
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The Buk system seems to a Soviet / Russian equivalent to the US Patriot...
glennPattonPUB wrote:
The Buk system seems to a Soviet / Russian equivalent to the US Patriot...
A moot point to the passengers of the ill fated flight. :doh:
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glennPattonPUB wrote:
The Buk system seems to a Soviet / Russian equivalent to the US Patriot...
A moot point to the passengers of the ill fated flight. :doh:
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I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopesI was thinking, that you have to know what you are doing to use one. It's not telescopic sight, push the button thing there is a bit more to it...if the users knew enough to get a good launch, track & hit with it, they had to know what they were firing at was a Su-25...:~
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I was thinking, that you have to know what you are doing to use one. It's not telescopic sight, push the button thing there is a bit more to it...if the users knew enough to get a good launch, track & hit with it, they had to know what they were firing at was a Su-25...:~
glennPattonPUB wrote:
if the users knew enough to get a good launch, track & hit with it, they had to know what they were firing at was a Su-25
They knew what they were firing and what their target was. :~
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