No, this gun isn't smoking...

Ed Gadziemski

They would be trained on assassinations, kidnapping, hijacking of airplanes, hijacking of buses, public buses, hijacking of trains and all other kinds of operations Sounds like CIA training. Jason, you need to get out more. Come visit me in Virginia and I'll take you over to CIA HQ in McLean and down to FBI school in Quantico. We teach our people the same things. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Jason Henderson

We train them how to hijack airplanes, buses, and trains? So you're saying we're terrorists too? Come on Ed, you can do better than that.

Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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Jason Henderson

:laugh: Ed, you make-a me raugh. If you were being serious I'd have called you an idiot. But I know your kidding. :~

Jason Henderson
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Doug Goulden

Which came first Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Pearl Harbor..... Maybe your right , we should have followed the French model and surrendered then or maybe after the Bataan death march, course maybe you think that was all US propoganda huh?:rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Doug Goulden

Haven't seen any radical American's smashing aircraft into Arab buildings lately... did I miss something on the news? Talk about revisionism.... The US isn't perfect, but we're way above SH, course if yah disagree you are always free to say so here, in Iraq they cut your tongue out;P Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

David Wulff

Jason Henderson wrote: We train them how to hijack airplanes, buses, and trains? I would seriously hope so, else they'd tend to be a bit crap wouldn't they.

David Wulff

"I feel inclined to blow my mind, Get hung up feeding ducks with a bun. They all come out to groove about; Be nicer than fun in the sun." - Itchycoo Park (Small Faces)

Jason Henderson

A-bombs don't kill people, people kill people. The Germans bombed London, the French designed the guillatine, the Soviets killed more than Hitler, the English raped and pillaged Ireland and Scotland, the Spanish killed thousands of native americans, the Turks used to lob rotting, diseased corpes into European cities under siege, the Japanese raped and killed thousands of Chinese, the Romans enslaved the people they conquered, and on and on throughout history... Humans suck. Not just Americans, all of us. No one is innocent. We all deserve to rot in hell for all eternity. That being said, those of us who value freedom, law, and the values given to us by God, should never condone nor brush aside the acts of madmen. Thank God, we have men and women in this country who have, and are willing to, sacrifice their lives for Ed and people like him. Without them, the world would be a rotting sesspool of evil (more so than it is now of course).

Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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Doug Goulden

I agree with all that, to bad some people won't ever understand the sacrifice others have made for their freedom. Ed is definitely part of the cup half empty crowd. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Chris Losinger

more than one source would be good (human source, not web source to the same person). if there are clear, verifiable links from Iraq to 9/11, then i think GWB isn't doing enough - invasion is too good for them. but, i'd like to see some more evidence. -c

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Jason Henderson

The satellite photos should be proof enough of his story. Its not like we're going to get a lot of "live" defectors from Iraq.

Jason Henderson
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Ed Gadziemski

Thank God, we have men and women in this country who have, and are willing to, sacrifice their lives for Ed and people like him I don't remember you being in my unit back when I served 3 years of US Army followed by 3 years of National Guard, Jason. Oh, perhaps you're just an "armchair soldier"? Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Ed Gadziemski

FYI: I'm an Army and National Guard vet, served a total of 6 years during the 70s. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Ed Gadziemski

A satellite photo of an airplane sitting in the desert is proof? You ever been to Arizona? There's hundreds of airplanes sitting in the desert. Hmmm, maybe there's terrorists in Tucson!!!! Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Mike Gaskey

Ed Gadziemski wrote: Hmmm, maybe there's terrorists in Tucson!!!! I would expect there are, with the porus border to the south I am amazed you don't think so. Mike

Chris Losinger

well, ed beat me to it. but, no a picture isn't proof. and, remember, remote intel is not perfect (chinese embassy, aspirin factory). if we could get some more people to corraborate his story, i'd be convinced. -c

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Mike Gaskey

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that this is being reported by PBS and NPR? For those of you on other continents or in countries other than the USA (you too Ed), PBS is the Public Broadcasting System, NPR stands for National Public Radio. NPR is a fairly nasty thorn in the side of conservatives. The reason is that PBS/NPR is a fairly liberal organization, which in and of itself is not "bad" - the thorn comes from the fact that NPR recieves public funding, read that as saying, "my taxes help pay for it even though I don't agree with the opinions they espouse". For this to be available from the NPR site means they find it overwhelmingly credible. But Jason, no matter what the facts are - "this business of anger directed at terrorists just doesn't feel right." Mike

John Carson

Jason Henderson wrote: So you're saying we're terrorists too? Come on Ed, you can do better than that. For your enlightenment[^] John Carson

John Carson

Mike Gaskey wrote: For this to be available from the NPR site means they find it overwhelmingly credible. Did you see the editor's note in the right margin? Editor's Note: Although U.S. officials acknowledge terrorists were trained at Salman Pak, they say it is unlikely that these activities were related to the Sept. 11 attacks. It should also be noted that the two defectors interviewed for this report have been brought to FRONTLINE's attention by members of the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization seeking to overthrow Saddam Hussein. John Carson

Ed Gadziemski

Well, my mother-in-law is in Tucson and she has been terrorizing me the past 18 years.... Oops, sorry for making light of this, Mike. I forgot that you conservatives see a anarchist nazi commie terrorist behind every bush (pun intended). Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Ed Gadziemski

"my taxes help pay for it even though I don't agree with the opinions they espouse" Hmmm. I could say that about Bush's massive defense spending and war on Iraq. NPR's entire budget is less than the cost of a single Blackhawk. (BTW, the way they keep crashing, there won't be enough of 'em left to fight the war.) Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin