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The China leak that said Windows 9 and Threshold are not the same

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  • C ColborneGreg

    http://www.infoworld.com/print/249057 5th paragraph "Foley is very careful to maintain a semantic distance between "Threshold" and "Windows 9." Many people think the terms are synonymous, but longtime Chinese leaker Faikee continues to maintain that they are two separate products, possibly headed in different directions."

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    Mark_Wallace
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    So what's happening is that, because Windows isn't making a Windows 9, China is.

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • J Joe Woodbury

      Problem is that you are an ignorant fool who knows very little. You are like the person who, when others are admiring a sunset, snidely remarks that "the sun never sets" and then keeps repeating it ad nauseam. Threshold is Microsoft's internal code name for the next version of Windows, whatever it may be called commercially. This is an R&D project, so some feature will be implemented early while others will be dropped entirely, perhaps permanently or maybe pushed off to a service pack or next major release. You screaming that this isn't so just makes you an ignorant fool. Then, like most ignorant fools, when you are proven wrong, you change your argument or claim that you never said something you clearly said. Worse comes to worse, you simply deny reality; you look at the sun and claim it's the moon.

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      I'm from the north east of England. What is this sun thing that you keep speaking of?

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      • M Mark_Wallace

        So what's happening is that, because Windows isn't making a Windows 9, China is.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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        The way China has been going on about Windows 8 and demanding source code, Windows 9 could be china's version.

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        • J Joe Woodbury

          Problem is that you are an ignorant fool who knows very little. You are like the person who, when others are admiring a sunset, snidely remarks that "the sun never sets" and then keeps repeating it ad nauseam. Threshold is Microsoft's internal code name for the next version of Windows, whatever it may be called commercially. This is an R&D project, so some feature will be implemented early while others will be dropped entirely, perhaps permanently or maybe pushed off to a service pack or next major release. You screaming that this isn't so just makes you an ignorant fool. Then, like most ignorant fools, when you are proven wrong, you change your argument or claim that you never said something you clearly said. Worse comes to worse, you simply deny reality; you look at the sun and claim it's the moon.

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          ColborneGreg
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          You have it in reverse. Officially it has not been declared as such commercially, whatever its going to be - it does not yet exist. Also the proof is not out yet. So by going on about Windows 9 when the product does not yet exist makes you... the one saying the sun never sets. If I'm wrong, then I am wrong. If you are wrong, you went on like an asshole for no reason, what then? The last time I checked if you had to resort to using insults to win an argument, you are out of valid facts to work off of.

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          • P Pete OHanlon

            I'm from the north east of England. What is this sun thing that you keep speaking of?

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            ColborneGreg
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            I'm from wales :D

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            • J Joe Woodbury

              Keep your story straight; there is no Windows 9.

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              ColborneGreg
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              FYI the above story is "longtime Chinese leaker Faikee"'s story which I am using to back up my story that threshold is not Windows 9. You can't twist things to the way you want.

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              • C ColborneGreg

                I'm from wales :D

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                Forogar
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                I'm from wales

                ...and yet you can't spell it properly. "Wales" is a proper noun (a country name) and should therefore be capitalized. If you can't get the name of the country of your birth right, how are we expected to respect anything you say?

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                  I'm from wales

                  ...and yet you can't spell it properly. "Wales" is a proper noun (a country name) and should therefore be capitalized. If you can't get the name of the country of your birth right, how are we expected to respect anything you say?

                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                  I don't care to have your respect. You take every angle you can to attack me, you're an act away from being an actual criminal.

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                    I don't care to have your respect. You take every angle you can to attack me, you're an act away from being an actual criminal.

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                    Forogar
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                    an act away from being an actual criminal.

                    What act would make me a criminal? This reply? You are very sensitive considering your strong but pointless stance!

                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      an act away from being an actual criminal.

                      What act would make me a criminal? This reply? You are very sensitive considering your strong but pointless stance!

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      Any act defined under actus rea. Your mens rea qualifies as criminal.

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                      • C ColborneGreg

                        Any act defined under actus rea. Your mens rea qualifies as criminal.

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                        Forogar
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                        So you are accusing me of being capable of being a criminal - despite no actual evidence - and therefore classing me as a criminal. Interesting premise... "Guilty, regardless of proof." I believe the trash media use this method especially for celebrities! By the way, I did a degree in Law before moving up to Computer Science so your Latin legalisms do not impress me.

                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                        • F Forogar

                          So you are accusing me of being capable of being a criminal - despite no actual evidence - and therefore classing me as a criminal. Interesting premise... "Guilty, regardless of proof." I believe the trash media use this method especially for celebrities! By the way, I did a degree in Law before moving up to Computer Science so your Latin legalisms do not impress me.

                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                          In order to be guilty; both Actus reas and mens rea have to be satisfied. Mens rea is a mind set. Technically there are a few situations that don't require the act to happen, such as in attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder, which I am not accusing you of.

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                            In order to be guilty; both Actus reas and mens rea have to be satisfied. Mens rea is a mind set. Technically there are a few situations that don't require the act to happen, such as in attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder, which I am not accusing you of.

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                            Technically there are a few situations that don't require the act to happen, such as in attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder,

                            Actually the criminal act in these cases are the attempt to commit murder and the conspiracy to commit murder respectively so the "act" (which is not the murder itself) still has to happen. What you are mixing up is what is the actual "act" under prosecution.

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                            which I am not accusing you of

                            Glad to hear it! :-D

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            • C ColborneGreg

                              The way China has been going on about Windows 8 and demanding source code, Windows 9 could be china's version.

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                              Mark_Wallace
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                              Let's be really clear about why this foreign nation is demanding the Windows source code, shall we? Europe and the rest of the world are actually glad that the Chinese are taking the lead on kicking the US's spying arse.

                              I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                Let's be really clear about why this foreign nation is demanding the Windows source code, shall we? Europe and the rest of the world are actually glad that the Chinese are taking the lead on kicking the US's spying arse.

                                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                Weren't they demanding the source code before the NSA scandal? I am under the impression China wants the source code so they can reverse engineer it.

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                                • C ColborneGreg

                                  Weren't they demanding the source code before the NSA scandal? I am under the impression China wants the source code so they can reverse engineer it.

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                                  If they wanted to reverse engineer it, they wouldn't want the source code.

                                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                                  • F Forogar

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                                    Technically there are a few situations that don't require the act to happen, such as in attempted murder or conspiracy to commit murder,

                                    Actually the criminal act in these cases are the attempt to commit murder and the conspiracy to commit murder respectively so the "act" (which is not the murder itself) still has to happen. What you are mixing up is what is the actual "act" under prosecution.

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                                    which I am not accusing you of

                                    Glad to hear it! :-D

                                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                    Conspiracy to commit a theft is not a crime, it's a preparation of the crime before the act of importance, in English it is an action someone can do, but it is not an act that can make someone guilty without the acts leading to murder. Attempted murder is a bad I see now, because an attempted robbery is still a robbery, the second crime that fits in the category is terrorism sorry.

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                                    • C ColborneGreg

                                      Conspiracy to commit a theft is not a crime, it's a preparation of the crime before the act of importance, in English it is an action someone can do, but it is not an act that can make someone guilty without the acts leading to murder. Attempted murder is a bad I see now, because an attempted robbery is still a robbery, the second crime that fits in the category is terrorism sorry.

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                                      Forogar
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                                      Conspiracy to commit a theft is not a crime

                                      In the UK (and many other countries) it is: There must be an agreement between two or more persons. The mens rea of conspiracy is a separate issue from the mens rea required of the substantive crime. Lord Bridge in R v Anderson - quoted in R v Hussain said: "an essential ingredient in the crime of conspiring to commit a specific offence or offences under section 1(1) of the Act of 1977 is that the accused should agree that a course of conduct be pursued which he knows must involve the commission by one or more of the parties to the agreement of that offence or those offences". Lord Bridge in R v Anderson also said: "But, beyond the mere fact of agreement, the necessary mens rea of the crime is, in my opinion, established if, and only if, it is shown that the accused, when he entered into the agreement, intended to play some part in the agreed course of conduct in furtherance of the criminal purpose which the agreed course of action was intended to achieve. Nothing less will suffice; nothing more is required." It is not therefore necessary for any action to be taken in furtherance of the criminal purpose in order for a conspiracy offence to have been committed. This distinguishes a conspiracy from an attempt (which necessarily does involve a person doing an act) see Criminal Attempts Act 1981. I am not sure about the US as my Law degree is from the UK and Mercans are, legally, a bit weird sometimes.

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                                      • F Forogar

                                        Quote:

                                        Conspiracy to commit a theft is not a crime

                                        In the UK (and many other countries) it is: There must be an agreement between two or more persons. The mens rea of conspiracy is a separate issue from the mens rea required of the substantive crime. Lord Bridge in R v Anderson - quoted in R v Hussain said: "an essential ingredient in the crime of conspiring to commit a specific offence or offences under section 1(1) of the Act of 1977 is that the accused should agree that a course of conduct be pursued which he knows must involve the commission by one or more of the parties to the agreement of that offence or those offences". Lord Bridge in R v Anderson also said: "But, beyond the mere fact of agreement, the necessary mens rea of the crime is, in my opinion, established if, and only if, it is shown that the accused, when he entered into the agreement, intended to play some part in the agreed course of conduct in furtherance of the criminal purpose which the agreed course of action was intended to achieve. Nothing less will suffice; nothing more is required." It is not therefore necessary for any action to be taken in furtherance of the criminal purpose in order for a conspiracy offence to have been committed. This distinguishes a conspiracy from an attempt (which necessarily does involve a person doing an act) see Criminal Attempts Act 1981. I am not sure about the US as my Law degree is from the UK and Mercans are, legally, a bit weird sometimes.

                                        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                        ColborneGreg
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                                        I took criminal psychology so I briefly skimmed over all the laws. "The mens rea of conspiracy is a separate issue from the mens rea required of the substantive crime." which in a way was what I was trying to say. FYI I am not American

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                                        • C ColborneGreg

                                          I took criminal psychology so I briefly skimmed over all the laws. "The mens rea of conspiracy is a separate issue from the mens rea required of the substantive crime." which in a way was what I was trying to say. FYI I am not American

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                                          Forogar
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                                          FYI I am not American

                                          FYI, Nor am I.

                                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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