I had to use an Apple machine in earnest for the first time in years
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
Keith Barrow wrote:
but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl.
Well sure, everyone now copies Windows - but it's just a case of getting used to it. It's Command-C then Command-Option-V for move on files. Command-UpArrow to go op a folder in Finder (if that's what you were trying to do) it's one of those things - when you're not used to it it can be frustrating to learn different ways of doing things - then when you're used to it, moving back to Windows or Linux can be equally a pain. Especially re-training the muscle memory. And, in some cases, using terminal is a great way to get things done - same as it is on Windows using the Cmd shell You cant complain in one sentence about having to use the mouse, and then complain about having to use the keyboard. or perhaps you can :)
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
So far I've only used two apple devices. The first one shredders them into tiny pieces. The second one presses all the juice out of those tiny pieces. By mid October I will very likely do that again and make some nice cider. Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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So far I've only used two apple devices. The first one shredders them into tiny pieces. The second one presses all the juice out of those tiny pieces. By mid October I will very likely do that again and make some nice cider. Cheers!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
Yeah, a lot of times it seems like they do stuff just trying to be different.... but hey, the terminal commands should all be just about the same as any Linux (slightly different there too, but hey, at least you have
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Keith Barrow wrote:
but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl.
Well sure, everyone now copies Windows - but it's just a case of getting used to it. It's Command-C then Command-Option-V for move on files. Command-UpArrow to go op a folder in Finder (if that's what you were trying to do) it's one of those things - when you're not used to it it can be frustrating to learn different ways of doing things - then when you're used to it, moving back to Windows or Linux can be equally a pain. Especially re-training the muscle memory. And, in some cases, using terminal is a great way to get things done - same as it is on Windows using the Cmd shell You cant complain in one sentence about having to use the mouse, and then complain about having to use the keyboard. or perhaps you can :)
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You're wasting your time. Haters want to hate. One thing I've noticed about Microsoft zealots / Apple haters is that often they complain that Apple "forces" them to use a certain method to do something while Microsoft gives them several different choices to do the same thing - yet when confronted with learning the Apple method they cry about how its "different". Silly! Disclaimer: After a VERY brief time using a Commodore 64, I used Microsoft OSes exclusively for MANY years. Started with DOS 2(?) up through Windows XP. Experimented with Linux - using it exclusively (at home) for over a year. Five years ago I bought an iMac and learned OS X. I still use Microsoft OSes exclusively at work (Windows 7 64 bit). IMHO - As it stands today Windows 7 and OS X Mavericks are both great operating systems that anybody can learn to use efficiently. Linux is OK but still a little too rough around the edges for my tastes. I'll reserve judgement on Windows 8.x and OS X Yosemite because I've not used them.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
OH, the humanity! My favourite Appleism was when working with my BIL (a now reformed, but then Apple nut). His hard disk became full and he asked for my help: Delete some files: Operation failed - disk full Move some files to floppy disk (yes, it was a while back): Operation failed - disk full Let's try editing a file to reduce its size: You guessed! I told him "You have a very effective door stop there!"
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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You're wasting your time. Haters want to hate. One thing I've noticed about Microsoft zealots / Apple haters is that often they complain that Apple "forces" them to use a certain method to do something while Microsoft gives them several different choices to do the same thing - yet when confronted with learning the Apple method they cry about how its "different". Silly! Disclaimer: After a VERY brief time using a Commodore 64, I used Microsoft OSes exclusively for MANY years. Started with DOS 2(?) up through Windows XP. Experimented with Linux - using it exclusively (at home) for over a year. Five years ago I bought an iMac and learned OS X. I still use Microsoft OSes exclusively at work (Windows 7 64 bit). IMHO - As it stands today Windows 7 and OS X Mavericks are both great operating systems that anybody can learn to use efficiently. Linux is OK but still a little too rough around the edges for my tastes. I'll reserve judgement on Windows 8.x and OS X Yosemite because I've not used them.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Curious - I've used various *NIXes (some pre-GUI) and had fewer problems than I've had with the Mac. In fact the Mac interface was so bad I was more or less forced down on to the terminal. As for hater - nope. Oh I'll twist and moan, but mostly to annoy Fanbois, but I hadn't seen how deep the rabbit hole actually is until now.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
Been there, done that. I only needed to download a file, and put it on a USB stick. I had to look up all the steps in Safari. Finder? Copy&Paste ? :doh: Even the trafic light instead of the cross to close a window was disturbing.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Apfelsaft !
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
Apfelschorle plus apfelkorn
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Been there, done that. I only needed to download a file, and put it on a USB stick. I had to look up all the steps in Safari. Finder? Copy&Paste ? :doh: Even the trafic light instead of the cross to close a window was disturbing.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
There is a certain amount of who moved my cheese involved so having to try to filter through that and some actual deficiencies. The traffic lights did jar (especially against the rest of the UI, which manages to look pruttty) , but no biggie. The simple task of moving files, or even seeing a folder structure, however, seems unnecessarily obscure.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Yeah, a lot of times it seems like they do stuff just trying to be different.... but hey, the terminal commands should all be just about the same as any Linux (slightly different there too, but hey, at least you have
manor--help).The command prompt/terminal is what saved me.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
Keith Barrow wrote:
Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Just as with pretty much every other operating system, including Windows.
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That is all. Actually it isn't. Want to move a folder? Ctrl-x --> correct destination --> Crtl-v. Nope, first of all you have to use "windows" key in place of ctrl, OK that's just a who moved my cheese thing, but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl. So I used the correct keystrokes. Only windows-x doesn't cut the folder, it didn't even seem to copy properly. One of the regular mac users said it doesn't work, you have to copy, then delete, or use a mouse like a peasant. :wtf: :mad: :wtf: :mad::mad::mad: Then I tried to save a .sh file to improve the rubbish (compared to the windows (linux I would guess)) git command prompt/shell from Chrome. I can only seem to save to the equivalent of MyDocuments, or subfolders within it, no apparent way to even go up in the folder hierarchy. This might be me, but something like that should be obvious. These are just the tip of the iceberg, seriously all of the proper *NIXes I've used have had much better GUIs strapped on to them. Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
It's like a sandwich shop I used to go to they had a big sign hanging prominently behind the counter; If you want it your way go to Burger King.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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Curious - I've used various *NIXes (some pre-GUI) and had fewer problems than I've had with the Mac. In fact the Mac interface was so bad I was more or less forced down on to the terminal. As for hater - nope. Oh I'll twist and moan, but mostly to annoy Fanbois, but I hadn't seen how deep the rabbit hole actually is until now.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
Keith Barrow wrote:
In fact the Mac interface was so bad I was more or less forced down on to the terminal.
Had to be the interface... couldn't be your ignorance of it. :rolleyes:
Keith Barrow wrote:
but I hadn't seen how deep the rabbit hole actually is until now.
Really? Where EXACTLY did I write anything pro-Apple or anti-Microsoft?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Keith Barrow wrote:
In fact the Mac interface was so bad I was more or less forced down on to the terminal.
Had to be the interface... couldn't be your ignorance of it. :rolleyes:
Keith Barrow wrote:
but I hadn't seen how deep the rabbit hole actually is until now.
Really? Where EXACTLY did I write anything pro-Apple or anti-Microsoft?
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Where EXACTLY did I write anything pro-Apple or anti-Microsoft?
Where EXACTLY did I say you did?
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
Hell, using the terminal seems to be the easiest way to get stuff done.
Just as with pretty much every other operating system, including Windows.
:-O True.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl.
Well sure, everyone now copies Windows - but it's just a case of getting used to it. It's Command-C then Command-Option-V for move on files. Command-UpArrow to go op a folder in Finder (if that's what you were trying to do) it's one of those things - when you're not used to it it can be frustrating to learn different ways of doing things - then when you're used to it, moving back to Windows or Linux can be equally a pain. Especially re-training the muscle memory. And, in some cases, using terminal is a great way to get things done - same as it is on Windows using the Cmd shell You cant complain in one sentence about having to use the mouse, and then complain about having to use the keyboard. or perhaps you can :)
PooperPig - Coming Soon
Careful, your apple is showing.
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Keith Barrow wrote:
but really, every other OS I've used uses ctrl.
Well sure, everyone now copies Windows - but it's just a case of getting used to it. It's Command-C then Command-Option-V for move on files. Command-UpArrow to go op a folder in Finder (if that's what you were trying to do) it's one of those things - when you're not used to it it can be frustrating to learn different ways of doing things - then when you're used to it, moving back to Windows or Linux can be equally a pain. Especially re-training the muscle memory. And, in some cases, using terminal is a great way to get things done - same as it is on Windows using the Cmd shell You cant complain in one sentence about having to use the mouse, and then complain about having to use the keyboard. or perhaps you can :)
PooperPig - Coming Soon
Thanks for your help - I'll try this out next time I use their machines. There is, as I've said in other posts - a certain amount of who moved my cheese?
_Maxxx_ wrote:
or perhaps you can
I totally can :laugh:
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
