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  • C co7eguy

    Hey all, I got stuck at this physics question. Looking for help. It's kinda hard, well for me at least. A stone is dropped into a well. The sound of the splash is heard 3.0s later. What is the depth of the well ? (Assume the speed of sound is 340m/s). When the rock drops, it goes uniform acceleration but when you hear the sound, it is uniform motion...That's the hard thing about the question. Too many unknowns for both equation. Am i missing something here? Thanks in advance

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    Mass of the stone? Neglagable air resistance?


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      Mass of the stone? Neglagable air resistance?


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      this is the hard part...mass of stone not given, and yes, neglagable air resistance

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        this is the hard part...mass of stone not given, and yes, neglagable air resistance

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        hi,;Pgay,I think that you can ask your teacher about this problem. You are the best!Me too!

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        • C co7eguy

          Hey all, I got stuck at this physics question. Looking for help. It's kinda hard, well for me at least. A stone is dropped into a well. The sound of the splash is heard 3.0s later. What is the depth of the well ? (Assume the speed of sound is 340m/s). When the rock drops, it goes uniform acceleration but when you hear the sound, it is uniform motion...That's the hard thing about the question. Too many unknowns for both equation. Am i missing something here? Thanks in advance

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          Since it is a linear acceleration of the stone the time until the sound is heard would be: T = (T_1 + T_2 =) L/v_s + sqrt( (2*L)/g ) [edited] where T Time v_s Velocity of sound g Acceleration (about 9.8 m/s^2) L Depth of well It is the sum of T_1 = L/v_s : The time it takes for sound to travel the distance L (constant velocity) L = (g * T_2^2)/2 : Linear acceleration of the stone, L being the depth of the well (assuming 0 initial velocity) Hope this is the correct answer (it's been a long time since I did physics) /moliate


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            Since it is a linear acceleration of the stone the time until the sound is heard would be: T = (T_1 + T_2 =) L/v_s + sqrt( (2*L)/g ) [edited] where T Time v_s Velocity of sound g Acceleration (about 9.8 m/s^2) L Depth of well It is the sum of T_1 = L/v_s : The time it takes for sound to travel the distance L (constant velocity) L = (g * T_2^2)/2 : Linear acceleration of the stone, L being the depth of the well (assuming 0 initial velocity) Hope this is the correct answer (it's been a long time since I did physics) /moliate


            The corners of my eyes catch hasty, bloodless motion - a mouse? Well, certainly a peripheral of some kind.

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            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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            It looks right to me. :) -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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              Since it is a linear acceleration of the stone the time until the sound is heard would be: T = (T_1 + T_2 =) L/v_s + sqrt( (2*L)/g ) [edited] where T Time v_s Velocity of sound g Acceleration (about 9.8 m/s^2) L Depth of well It is the sum of T_1 = L/v_s : The time it takes for sound to travel the distance L (constant velocity) L = (g * T_2^2)/2 : Linear acceleration of the stone, L being the depth of the well (assuming 0 initial velocity) Hope this is the correct answer (it's been a long time since I did physics) /moliate


              The corners of my eyes catch hasty, bloodless motion - a mouse? Well, certainly a peripheral of some kind.

              Neil Gaiman - Cold Colours

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              Remember that the time is split, 3 seconds is the total time for the sound to reach the top of the well. Plus, the stone is not falling when the sound is heared, there will be a time between the stone hitting the bottom and the sound reaching the top.


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                Remember that the time is split, 3 seconds is the total time for the sound to reach the top of the well. Plus, the stone is not falling when the sound is heared, there will be a time between the stone hitting the bottom and the sound reaching the top.


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                Jonny Newman wrote: Remember that the time is split, 3 seconds is the total time for the sound to reach the top of the well. That's included in the formula. One part for constant velocity and one for constant acceleration. /moliate


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                  Jonny Newman wrote: Remember that the time is split, 3 seconds is the total time for the sound to reach the top of the well. That's included in the formula. One part for constant velocity and one for constant acceleration. /moliate


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                  It looks in the formulas that you have used T in both parts. Are you saying T is equal to 3seconds? If so, then this is not right, there is going to be a time for the stone to drop, and another time for the sound to reach the top.


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                    It looks in the formulas that you have used T in both parts. Are you saying T is equal to 3seconds? If so, then this is not right, there is going to be a time for the stone to drop, and another time for the sound to reach the top.


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                    moliate
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                    Sorry. The formula at the top is the one I meant. The ones at the bottom are just generic expressions for calculating distance travelled with constant velocity/acceleration... I'll give the answer a better formatting. /moliate


                    The corners of my eyes catch hasty, bloodless motion - a mouse? Well, certainly a peripheral of some kind.

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                    • C co7eguy

                      Hey all, I got stuck at this physics question. Looking for help. It's kinda hard, well for me at least. A stone is dropped into a well. The sound of the splash is heard 3.0s later. What is the depth of the well ? (Assume the speed of sound is 340m/s). When the rock drops, it goes uniform acceleration but when you hear the sound, it is uniform motion...That's the hard thing about the question. Too many unknowns for both equation. Am i missing something here? Thanks in advance

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                      Ok, so I had nothing better to do... ;P Clickety[^] - Nitron


                      "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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                        Ok, so I had nothing better to do... ;P Clickety[^] - Nitron


                        "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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                        jeeeeeeeez and i thought i was bored :omg:


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                          jeeeeeeeez and i thought i was bored :omg:


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                          I just wanted to see if I can still think after being sucked into the workforce for the last 2 years... :~ I do have a life, I promise! :rolleyes: - Nitron


                          "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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                            I just wanted to see if I can still think after being sucked into the workforce for the last 2 years... :~ I do have a life, I promise! :rolleyes: - Nitron


                            "Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

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                            good job niton.

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                              good job niton.

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                              Nitron
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                              ﻡﺟﻧ_Najm wrote: good job niton. :-D I take it you arrived at the same answer? ;P - Nitron


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                                good job niton.

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                                Jon Newman
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                                Looks like a better/quicker version of your's. I may have to try my Physics master on this one. He always likes a challenge.


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                                  Mass of the stone? Neglagable air resistance?


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                                  Jonathan 'nonny' Newman
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                                  Jonny Newman wrote: Mass of the stone? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: er, sorry.....:-O It is ok for women not to like sports, so long as they nod in the right places and bring beers at the right times.
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                                  • C co7eguy

                                    Hey all, I got stuck at this physics question. Looking for help. It's kinda hard, well for me at least. A stone is dropped into a well. The sound of the splash is heard 3.0s later. What is the depth of the well ? (Assume the speed of sound is 340m/s). When the rock drops, it goes uniform acceleration but when you hear the sound, it is uniform motion...That's the hard thing about the question. Too many unknowns for both equation. Am i missing something here? Thanks in advance

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                                    Don't forget to take into account the kittens tied up in the sack causing air resistance on the stone. :~ :laugh:

                                    "How many more people have to die before no one ever dies again?" - Daniel Haley, The Onion

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                                      Don't forget to take into account the kittens tied up in the sack causing air resistance on the stone. :~ :laugh:

                                      "How many more people have to die before no one ever dies again?" - Daniel Haley, The Onion

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                                      It actually says in the problem that the effect of the kittens in the sack is negligable. They covered all the bases.

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                                        this is the hard part...mass of stone not given, and yes, neglagable air resistance

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                                        mass is not important, you should know that. I rated this article 2 by mistake. It deserves more. I wanted to get to the second page... - vjedlicka 3:33 25 Nov '02

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                                          Don't forget to take into account the kittens tied up in the sack causing air resistance on the stone. :~ :laugh:

                                          "How many more people have to die before no one ever dies again?" - Daniel Haley, The Onion

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                                          Please think of the kittens.:-D Brad Jennings "if the golden arches shut shop, where else are the VB people going to get work." - Colin Davies

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