iPhone 6 vs Android phones
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Rage wrote:
why should people buy a new phone ?
Don't know about others but I buy a new phone when the old one stops working. Unsurprisingly, the old cheap "dumb" phones used to last much longer than the new shiny "smart" ones.
Hear, hear! I have only just "upgraded" from my Nokia N95 to a Samsung. All I can say is WHY? This Android. Has a mind of its own. It starts doing things when no one is touching it. It closes things and opens things seemingly at random. My wife's iPhone is very well behaved but both phones suffer the terrible short battery life that folk have got used to these days. Personally, I want a simple phone that makes calls, sms and does nothing else.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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While being fully aware of the fact of risking to start a fanboi war here, I decided to leave my opinion on the new iPhone 6. I'll probably get myself an iPhone 6 later this year - I used the iPhone 4, a Galaxy S4 and a HTC dual sim phone over the past years. While the Galaxy grew more popular (and mine broke) I got myself the HTC because of the dual sim capability - It works, but the "Calendar Widget crashed"-message I get every once in a while is annoying. And that is how I personally feel about Android in general. It works reasonably well most of the time, but if it doesn't work one can be sure to find a solution for another version of Android, but not the version on the phone one's using at the moment. An iPhone always "just worked" and didn't gave me a hard time moving Apps to the SD card (a major problem which I have with the HTC right now) - I'm facing computer problems every day, no matter if it is in the army (I'm working for the Action Command Center right now) or as Software Developer and don't want to resolve any troubles I'm having with my phone in my free time. It just needs to work.
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Disappointing there's no mention of a Windows Phone considering they are often much more stable among other things. If you just want a phone to work then you really should be looking at WP. If you really don't want to leave the popular choice then why not just install CyanogenMod onto the android? that will most likely fix every single problem you have with it. FYI I've used all 3 OSes extensively and the most unproductive and troublesome devices I've ever had are iPhones. I've had plenty of problems with Samsung phones but at least they were problems you could actually solve (googling the answer, installing Cyanogen etc.) Currently my Lumia is my latest and most satisfactory device.
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While being fully aware of the fact of risking to start a fanboi war here, I decided to leave my opinion on the new iPhone 6. I'll probably get myself an iPhone 6 later this year - I used the iPhone 4, a Galaxy S4 and a HTC dual sim phone over the past years. While the Galaxy grew more popular (and mine broke) I got myself the HTC because of the dual sim capability - It works, but the "Calendar Widget crashed"-message I get every once in a while is annoying. And that is how I personally feel about Android in general. It works reasonably well most of the time, but if it doesn't work one can be sure to find a solution for another version of Android, but not the version on the phone one's using at the moment. An iPhone always "just worked" and didn't gave me a hard time moving Apps to the SD card (a major problem which I have with the HTC right now) - I'm facing computer problems every day, no matter if it is in the army (I'm working for the Action Command Center right now) or as Software Developer and don't want to resolve any troubles I'm having with my phone in my free time. It just needs to work.
The console is a black place
I switched from an iPhone 5S to android, and wasnt happy until i got a HTC One M8 (i tried nexus 5, and galaxy note 3 before that). HTC have refined android in subtle but nice ways, and overall its a polished user experience. As much as i like the look of the iPhone 6 plus, i just cannot go back to iOS as android has so many nice little touches that make it better to use. i do miss the camera quality of the iPhone though!
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The real question here is : why should people buy a new phone ? The 6 has no feature that I couldn't live without. Neither had the 5 nor the 4. Maybe not even the 3GS. So my question is: why are people constantly changing their smartphones ? Especially when these thingies are about as expensive as a good laptop ? This is nonsense. And do not get me started about impact on the environment...
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The iPhone is just over hyped for what it is. I have owned one for 2 years now and have the iPhone 5. In my opinion the samsung phones are much better. The UI seems to respond more fluidly. I see no need for me to upgrade to the iPhone 6. The current handset does more than I need or use.
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While being fully aware of the fact of risking to start a fanboi war here, I decided to leave my opinion on the new iPhone 6. I'll probably get myself an iPhone 6 later this year - I used the iPhone 4, a Galaxy S4 and a HTC dual sim phone over the past years. While the Galaxy grew more popular (and mine broke) I got myself the HTC because of the dual sim capability - It works, but the "Calendar Widget crashed"-message I get every once in a while is annoying. And that is how I personally feel about Android in general. It works reasonably well most of the time, but if it doesn't work one can be sure to find a solution for another version of Android, but not the version on the phone one's using at the moment. An iPhone always "just worked" and didn't gave me a hard time moving Apps to the SD card (a major problem which I have with the HTC right now) - I'm facing computer problems every day, no matter if it is in the army (I'm working for the Action Command Center right now) or as Software Developer and don't want to resolve any troubles I'm having with my phone in my free time. It just needs to work.
The console is a black place
I really don't have much of an issue with anything you posted except the part about the iPhone always "just worked" and didn't give you a hard time moving Apps to the SD card. There has never been a version of the iPhone with an SD card to move Apps on to. And the same is true with the iPhone 6. At least your HTC has that capability, as do most other Android phones and now Windows Phones. If your worried about space on your new iPhone, you better get the 64GB version or the 128GB version, because you're locked into whatever size you pick. BTW: I currently have the iPhone 5 and previously had the 4S, and 4, and 3GS. But, I'm seriously considering "jumping ship" to the new Moto X or the new Nexus 6/X (whatever they decide to call it) this go around. Cheers.
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Apps crash on the wife's ipad and my daughter's iphone all the time -- but they're just not there when you look for them, and have to be restarted; ios doesn't pop up a message telling you that an app has crashed. I dare say that app-crash notifications can be turned off in Android, too, if they distress you so. But bear in mind that required TSR apps like calendars will be automatically restarted by Android, meaning that without the notification you would never know that an app had crashed (i.e. it's doing you a favour by letting you know which apps are misbehaving). With ios, you know something has crashed because you have to physically restart it, so they do you the "favour" of doing nothing for your benefit.
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For crashing, android has always taken the cake for me. If you actually have apps that are "not there when you look for them", is it possible you jailbroke, or free, low quality apps maybe? Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well? I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke and it wasn't worth the novelty. For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking. For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs. With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
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For 5 years or more now my wife has had a succession of iPhones and I've had three Android phones (just got my third a Moto 4G, a budget phone). I have always had SD cards, my wife has always had no space available and had to make decisions about getting rid of things on an almost daily basis to keep using it. I can copy whatever I want onto (and off of) my phone from wherever I want, each time my wife wants something doing to hers I have to battle with iTunes (including updating the beast to the latest version first). I have no problems with lost calls, low call quality, or lost text messages. My wife is constantly cursing those bits which traditionally constitutes a 'phone'. I have never had to call my service or phone provider, or take my phone into a shop, or get a diagnostic run on it. My wife on the other hand, has done both, a number of times, usually to be told to upgrade either iOS or phone, the first a great bastard battle with space and iTunes. No-one has ever published my nude photos on the internet. OK, so it was me who published those photos of my wife*. I can organise my phones however I want to, widgets, icons, arrange the screens in whatever order and layout I want to. I have a back key, the single most annoying thing to me about i devices. She has Facetime. I don't love Android, I don't hate Apple. I have never had any problems with using Android devices, I repeatedly get frustrated trying to do things and feel like I have a complete lack of control on both iPhones and iPads. * Not really.
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I guess it depends on what you want to do. To me, changing app icon sizes is a novelty that does nothing for me. Eye candy. I use a lot of apps, and with android I was constantly wrangling out what app was using what in the background. With iOS, pausing it stopped it in it's tracks, and it's easy to choose backgrounding or not. I can control permissions by the app and function even after installing an app and see what app tried to access what. Every work need I've had I've been able to find similar or better quality apps or functions. I have 64gb of internal SD so I don't need to copy to and fro from flash cards for my apps. I can synch files just fine and have more options than an SD card if i need. It was a pain to me, configuring some apps to work right with an SD and my last motorola pad I had to root it to get the SD to work right anyway. It could do flash but crashed so often trying i was glad to get rid of messing with it. There are some things I'd change about iOS but as far as real power features, controlling privacy and permissions, it's pretty good. If you look at the physical hardware and software integrated AES most android phones are super primitive in terms of security. And privacy, on a google device, really... :) Google play is closed source, system level, able to push code and give itself new permissions at will, silently. It's always there stalking you. Once you root it anyone can flash your data off with no password and hack away trying passwords on the backup. IOS has integrated AES keys burnt into the chip so image dumps are useless, then wraps that in a key adding entropy from your passphrase, or the simple android security part, then wraps those in file instance keys and also with a device format instance key, and there is just no comparison. As far as nudies, common sense, any cloud, don't use public answers to security questions or 123 as your password or answer phishing questions asking for your account details..... None of the stars refuted this was the case when apple explained what happened, at least with the ones that were from apple cloud. Didn't people who reviewed the photos say some were from clouds or devices too?
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I really don't have much of an issue with anything you posted except the part about the iPhone always "just worked" and didn't give you a hard time moving Apps to the SD card. There has never been a version of the iPhone with an SD card to move Apps on to. And the same is true with the iPhone 6. At least your HTC has that capability, as do most other Android phones and now Windows Phones. If your worried about space on your new iPhone, you better get the 64GB version or the 128GB version, because you're locked into whatever size you pick. BTW: I currently have the iPhone 5 and previously had the 4S, and 4, and 3GS. But, I'm seriously considering "jumping ship" to the new Moto X or the new Nexus 6/X (whatever they decide to call it) this go around. Cheers.
Kelly Wilkerson wrote:
and didn't give you a hard time moving Apps to the SD card. There has never been a version of the iPhone with an SD card to move Apps on to.
That's what I meant. The HTC I'm using right now can only move an App to an SD card if the Developer enabled the option - An iPhone just worked for me and didn't gave me a hard time moving apps BECAUSE there was / is no SD card.
Kelly Wilkerson wrote:
At least your HTC has that capability, as do most other Android phones and now Windows Phones.
As for Android phones: http://forums.androidcentral.com/samsung-galaxy-note-3/364626-cant-save-move-apps-sd-card.html[^]
Kelly Wilkerson wrote:
If your worried about space on your new iPhone, you better get the 64GB version or the 128GB version, because you're locked into whatever size you pick.
I'm not worried - 32 GB were great for me, since I only carried the songs I was listening to and the apps I need (WhatsApp, Skype, Newspaper, Train connections etc.).
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While being fully aware of the fact of risking to start a fanboi war here, I decided to leave my opinion on the new iPhone 6. I'll probably get myself an iPhone 6 later this year - I used the iPhone 4, a Galaxy S4 and a HTC dual sim phone over the past years. While the Galaxy grew more popular (and mine broke) I got myself the HTC because of the dual sim capability - It works, but the "Calendar Widget crashed"-message I get every once in a while is annoying. And that is how I personally feel about Android in general. It works reasonably well most of the time, but if it doesn't work one can be sure to find a solution for another version of Android, but not the version on the phone one's using at the moment. An iPhone always "just worked" and didn't gave me a hard time moving Apps to the SD card (a major problem which I have with the HTC right now) - I'm facing computer problems every day, no matter if it is in the army (I'm working for the Action Command Center right now) or as Software Developer and don't want to resolve any troubles I'm having with my phone in my free time. It just needs to work.
The console is a black place
I hear you. Why not a Windows Phone if you want something reliable. Especially if you get a Nokia you get the best camera on a phone. There are pretty much 4-5 fundamental things I need in a "phone" these days.
- being a reliable phone and SMS messenger
- reliable light browsing and emailing
- a very good camera
- GPS
- lasting battery
Other applications, be honest, how much are you using them and if you do use them, can you live without them? Of course you could. For frak sake many of us grew up in a time when you didn't even have a cell. Generally, you had to be somewhere with a land line, like home to call or get a call on a phone. So, I can assure you, if you can survive just fine without a mobile phone, now that you have one anyway you will surely survive without the apps. Oh, where was I ... yeah. I want the same thing, now that we are stuck with these "smart" phones yes I want them to just work and not have to reflash, install new firmware, jailbreak them and so on .... After my first experience with an LG Android a couple of years ago (phone that luckily was run over by another car) I bought a Nokia Lumia 710, very simple phone. I was amazed how good I felt about myself after a week, how simple my phone related experience had become. You know, like Japanese cars which for years need just gas and engine oil change. So, buy an iPhone if you want reliable but if you want the whole package buy a Lumia 'cause today never comes back and if you want to capture this moment in a quality picture, you need a good camera. I own a Lumia 920 now and it is the "shit". Did I mention they cost less?
giuchici
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While being fully aware of the fact of risking to start a fanboi war here, I decided to leave my opinion on the new iPhone 6. I'll probably get myself an iPhone 6 later this year - I used the iPhone 4, a Galaxy S4 and a HTC dual sim phone over the past years. While the Galaxy grew more popular (and mine broke) I got myself the HTC because of the dual sim capability - It works, but the "Calendar Widget crashed"-message I get every once in a while is annoying. And that is how I personally feel about Android in general. It works reasonably well most of the time, but if it doesn't work one can be sure to find a solution for another version of Android, but not the version on the phone one's using at the moment. An iPhone always "just worked" and didn't gave me a hard time moving Apps to the SD card (a major problem which I have with the HTC right now) - I'm facing computer problems every day, no matter if it is in the army (I'm working for the Action Command Center right now) or as Software Developer and don't want to resolve any troubles I'm having with my phone in my free time. It just needs to work.
The console is a black place
The new Windows Phone 8.1 is actually pretty good, why not try it out. WP stability and performance is on par with iPhone's.
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For 5 years or more now my wife has had a succession of iPhones and I've had three Android phones (just got my third a Moto 4G, a budget phone). I have always had SD cards, my wife has always had no space available and had to make decisions about getting rid of things on an almost daily basis to keep using it. I can copy whatever I want onto (and off of) my phone from wherever I want, each time my wife wants something doing to hers I have to battle with iTunes (including updating the beast to the latest version first). I have no problems with lost calls, low call quality, or lost text messages. My wife is constantly cursing those bits which traditionally constitutes a 'phone'. I have never had to call my service or phone provider, or take my phone into a shop, or get a diagnostic run on it. My wife on the other hand, has done both, a number of times, usually to be told to upgrade either iOS or phone, the first a great bastard battle with space and iTunes. No-one has ever published my nude photos on the internet. OK, so it was me who published those photos of my wife*. I can organise my phones however I want to, widgets, icons, arrange the screens in whatever order and layout I want to. I have a back key, the single most annoying thing to me about i devices. She has Facetime. I don't love Android, I don't hate Apple. I have never had any problems with using Android devices, I repeatedly get frustrated trying to do things and feel like I have a complete lack of control on both iPhones and iPads. * Not really.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
Your wife's issues all stem from iOS being out of memory. She's keeping her phone too full. If she maintains adequate space on her phone she'll stop getting all those application crashes. I had this on my iPad. I wanted to keep all my apps and barely had any room left and it started crashing. All. THE. TIME. Plus, it was running abysmally slow. Once I decided to dump some apps (ironically because I wanted an app that wouldn't fit) it started working normally again. Haven't had any problems since.
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For crashing, android has always taken the cake for me. If you actually have apps that are "not there when you look for them", is it possible you jailbroke, or free, low quality apps maybe? Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well? I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke and it wasn't worth the novelty. For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking. For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs. With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
AA 2 wrote:
is it possible you jailbroke
Neither is jailbroken. And who the **** do apple think they are, putting my personal property in "jail"?
AA 2 wrote:
free, low quality apps maybe?
Built-in apple apps are included in the list.
AA 2 wrote:
Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well?
Yes.
AA 2 wrote:
I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke
Then you must have done it wrong.
AA 2 wrote:
For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking.
You must have an uncomplicated job and be easily amused -- and you must really enjoy plugging devices into computers to use bloatware apple "stores".
AA 2 wrote:
For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs
Motorola uses Android, now, so you won't find that problem, any more. If your Motorola device was new enough to have android, you must have rooted that wrong, too.
AA 2 wrote:
With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
So, essentially, you paid an extra $100-200 for a $30-50 SD card that's hard wired into the machine, so can't be swapped out for another card containing different files.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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AA 2 wrote:
is it possible you jailbroke
Neither is jailbroken. And who the **** do apple think they are, putting my personal property in "jail"?
AA 2 wrote:
free, low quality apps maybe?
Built-in apple apps are included in the list.
AA 2 wrote:
Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well?
Yes.
AA 2 wrote:
I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke
Then you must have done it wrong.
AA 2 wrote:
For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking.
You must have an uncomplicated job and be easily amused -- and you must really enjoy plugging devices into computers to use bloatware apple "stores".
AA 2 wrote:
For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs
Motorola uses Android, now, so you won't find that problem, any more. If your Motorola device was new enough to have android, you must have rooted that wrong, too.
AA 2 wrote:
With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
So, essentially, you paid an extra $100-200 for a $30-50 SD card that's hard wired into the machine, so can't be swapped out for another card containing different files.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
From your tone and lack of listening skills, I imagine you'll twist any response so this probably isn't worth much to you but I'll try. I didn't pay $200 for a SD card, I paid more for a device that crashed half the time as any android I used, I didn't have to jail brake to make basic things work right, and for something with real security and privacy. The red herring on the nudies just betrays ignorance or deceit since they also mentioned pictures from other devices or services, and also explained the very bad user practices used that exposed their info, like using public security questions, easy passwords, responding to phishing and not using 2 factor auth. Please, name this app that keeps disappearing on a non-jailbroken device that you paid $3 for or is an apple app. Name some real work you actually get done on an android you couldn't get done on anything else... Gimicks like copying files on and off a flash card isn't work, it's overcomplicating something you could already do with a $5 flash card... If you don't understand how jailbreaking iOS causes bugs then you're closed off to reality. I understand if you're used to needing to root things to make it work right but you just cause yourself more problems doing so on IOS mostly and don't need to. They give you the ability to actually control your privacy or background apps and access to good updates and backups off the bat.
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AA 2 wrote:
is it possible you jailbroke
Neither is jailbroken. And who the **** do apple think they are, putting my personal property in "jail"?
AA 2 wrote:
free, low quality apps maybe?
Built-in apple apps are included in the list.
AA 2 wrote:
Does an apple app or anything you paid $3 do that as well?
Yes.
AA 2 wrote:
I had lots of bugs when I jailbroke
Then you must have done it wrong.
AA 2 wrote:
For real work purposes or even entertainment, iOS already had what I needed without jailbreaking.
You must have an uncomplicated job and be easily amused -- and you must really enjoy plugging devices into computers to use bloatware apple "stores".
AA 2 wrote:
For my motorola I rooted it out of necessity to make the sd card work right for my needs
Motorola uses Android, now, so you won't find that problem, any more. If your Motorola device was new enough to have android, you must have rooted that wrong, too.
AA 2 wrote:
With my iPhone I just got extra room and didn't need the SD.
So, essentially, you paid an extra $100-200 for a $30-50 SD card that's hard wired into the machine, so can't be swapped out for another card containing different files.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Really, I do have some gripes or things I'd change on IOS and especially iTunes. I hate ignorant misdirected "callouts" based on fantasy though. Saying Ipaid $200 for a $50 SD card is just a highly ignorant insult, ignoring the other very real features and reasons I made the overall choice. I realize things change and sometimes one will be better than the other on one thing or another, but by and large, IOS was way more stable, I didn't have to root for basic things like updates, and the whole SD and Flash thing were over-rated. Flash video and especially interactive crashed a lot. I could use my keychain flash stick that's way faster and easier than copying files back and forth from a phone (and more secure) if that's what I need SD for. IOS has plenty of share options if I need them too. The biggest plus is it's designed to actually work right without google stalking you every second. Try disabling Play and see how many apps break, knowing it's a closed source, system level spyware layer that can even give itself more permissions and pushes code silently all the time. On the other hand, IOS devices are built from the ground up around AES, hashing circuit level entropy with the passphrase with file instance keys with format instance keys, and you get the picture. You're not going to make an unauthorized useful image dump of an IOS device. You root an android device and anyone can make image dump and hack away at your password. On iOS such a think would be useless. Some android apps are (were?) a pain to configure to use SD cards right and it was slower than native drive space for big stuff anyway. NSA was actually publicly designing android security years ago claiming it was too insecure for the public while complaining about Apple's new security. I could go on and on, but I hope I have given you enough information to understand I didn't just buy a $50 flash card for $200 (and 64 GB flash cards were more expensive than $50 and the android devices I tried couldn't read that much anyway at the time...) Anyway, they're both pretty functional, and google subsidizing android distributions to get their spyware in people's hands does increase the whole smartphone availability and competition in general. Android is an extremely functional OS with a lot of device options, and it gives you a lot more eye candy too, just not the "features" I care as much about.
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While being fully aware of the fact of risking to start a fanboi war here, I decided to leave my opinion on the new iPhone 6. I'll probably get myself an iPhone 6 later this year - I used the iPhone 4, a Galaxy S4 and a HTC dual sim phone over the past years. While the Galaxy grew more popular (and mine broke) I got myself the HTC because of the dual sim capability - It works, but the "Calendar Widget crashed"-message I get every once in a while is annoying. And that is how I personally feel about Android in general. It works reasonably well most of the time, but if it doesn't work one can be sure to find a solution for another version of Android, but not the version on the phone one's using at the moment. An iPhone always "just worked" and didn't gave me a hard time moving Apps to the SD card (a major problem which I have with the HTC right now) - I'm facing computer problems every day, no matter if it is in the army (I'm working for the Action Command Center right now) or as Software Developer and don't want to resolve any troubles I'm having with my phone in my free time. It just needs to work.
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I've had a few android phones, the problem isnt with the os is with all the bs the manufacturers put on it. If you're up to it load cyanogen mod on your HTC and you'll be amazed at the difference w/out that HTC Sense crap. I switched to a windows phone and dont ever want to go back. My boss still has an htc with sense and gets a message about sense locking up at least once a day, even when the phone has just been in his pocket.
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