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    Nagy Vilmos
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    scilogs.com[^]:

    Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

    A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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      scilogs.com[^]:

      Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

      A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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      Rage
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      Correct horse battery staple !

      ~RaGE();

      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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        scilogs.com[^]:

        Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

        A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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        Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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        Actually this is true, but we need to make use of multiple words. Password might have only one word in it, but we can have more than one word appended and mixed so that we can memorize it, and can be safe too.

        Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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          scilogs.com[^]:

          Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

          A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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          Lost User
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          asdfgh

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            asdfgh

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            ZurdoDev
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            asdfgh

            Thanks a lot. Now I have to change my password. :mad:

            There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              Thanks a lot. Now I have to change my password. :mad:

              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              What about zxcvbn? Don't whatever you do use qwerty its too insecure.

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                scilogs.com[^]:

                Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

                A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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                Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                what's wrong with "password" I have been using it for years

                You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                  what's wrong with "password" I have been using it for years

                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                  Nothing really and you are not alone, its still the most common one in use. :)

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                    what's wrong with "password" I have been using it for years

                    You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                    Dennis_E
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                    Solution: Always use a random password generator. Then every time you want to access a website, click on 'forgot my password'. ;P

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                      scilogs.com[^]:

                      Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

                      A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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                      Duncan Edwards Jones
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                      You could do this without any maths by having a particular song in your head that you know all the words to (for example the national anthem) then for any given site, find the first instance of the first letter of the site name in the song (e.g. for codeproject it could be "God save our gracious queen" then take the number of letters after that letter that correspond to the number of letters in the site name (e.g. for codeproject this would give "cious queen", trim spaces and replace vowels with the ordinal of the vowel in aeiou. So - after all that you get the uncrackable password: c345sq522n Then don't forget not to reveal this method and password to the whole world. :doh:

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                        What about zxcvbn? Don't whatever you do use qwerty its too insecure.

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                        zxcvbn

                        Great... now I have to change my password. Thanks a lot. :)

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                          zxcvbn

                          Great... now I have to change my password. Thanks a lot. :)

                          You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think. The Theory of Gravity was invented for the sole purpose of distracting you from investigating the scientific fact that the Earth sucks.

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                          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                          change it to your dogs name or something on that lines, you can set your hint up to tell you what you used oh and don't forget to put your dogs name(or what ever you choose) on facebook

                          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            change it to your dogs name or something on that lines, you can set your hint up to tell you what you used oh and don't forget to put your dogs name(or what ever you choose) on facebook

                            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                            Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

                            your dogs name

                            I was actually thinking that Duncan's solution below was a pretty good idea. The problem is, is I don't know the words to God Save the Queen so it would not work for me. :laugh:

                            You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think. The Theory of Gravity was invented for the sole purpose of distracting you from investigating the scientific fact that the Earth sucks.

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                              Actually this is true, but we need to make use of multiple words. Password might have only one word in it, but we can have more than one word appended and mixed so that we can memorize it, and can be safe too.

                              Favourite line: Throw me to them wolves and close the gate up. I am afraid of what will happen to them wolves - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                              Rage
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                              While I tend to agree with you (Google the words in my above post),it this is not necessarily better, here a good read: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/how-i-became-a-password-cracker/[^] So you would need more than only putting more letters. For instance correctbatteryhorsestaple is easily found with a 4word rule in hashcat.

                              ~RaGE();

                              I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                                You could do this without any maths by having a particular song in your head that you know all the words to (for example the national anthem) then for any given site, find the first instance of the first letter of the site name in the song (e.g. for codeproject it could be "God save our gracious queen" then take the number of letters after that letter that correspond to the number of letters in the site name (e.g. for codeproject this would give "cious queen", trim spaces and replace vowels with the ordinal of the vowel in aeiou. So - after all that you get the uncrackable password: c345sq522n Then don't forget not to reveal this method and password to the whole world. :doh:

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                                Rage
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                                "Can you just check if Bob sent you that mail ?" "Hold my beer, I need to recompute my password"

                                ~RaGE();

                                I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                                  change it to your dogs name or something on that lines, you can set your hint up to tell you what you used oh and don't forget to put your dogs name(or what ever you choose) on facebook

                                  You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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                                  enhzflep
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                                  Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

                                  change it to your dogs name or something on that lines, you can set your hint up to tell you what you used

                                  Since a pic is worth a thousand words - here's a copy of a pic I saw the other day. https://www.yellloh.com/posts/i-changed-all-my-passwords-to-incorrect[^]

                                  "When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down 'happy'. They told me I didn't understand the assignment, and I told them they didn't understand life." - John Lennon

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                                  • N Nagy Vilmos

                                    scilogs.com[^]:

                                    Good passwords are hard to remember. A pattern that makes a password memorable is likely to make it vulnerable to attack.

                                    A rather interesting scheme and allegedly secure.

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                                    MacSpudster
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                                    My tried and true Perfectly Automated Security System With Otherwise Randomizing Denotations, or P.A.S.S.W.O.R.D., works best for me. :doh: Or was that Pathetically Absurd Silly Statement With Otherwise Rubbish Dialog? :wtf::confused:

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                                      While I tend to agree with you (Google the words in my above post),it this is not necessarily better, here a good read: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/how-i-became-a-password-cracker/[^] So you would need more than only putting more letters. For instance correctbatteryhorsestaple is easily found with a 4word rule in hashcat.

                                      ~RaGE();

                                      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                                      Bert Mitton
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                                      Not with my speling. :laugh:

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                                        Not with my speling. :laugh:

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                                        DJ van Wyk
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                                        Korrekt whores battirie stapel Seems legit :thumbsup:

                                        My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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                                          While I tend to agree with you (Google the words in my above post),it this is not necessarily better, here a good read: http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/how-i-became-a-password-cracker/[^] So you would need more than only putting more letters. For instance correctbatteryhorsestaple is easily found with a 4word rule in hashcat.

                                          ~RaGE();

                                          I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                                          Fabio Franco
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                                          This skcd[^] post mislead me then :doh:

                                          To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia

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