Lowering the voting age to 16
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I've just read that David Cameron has ruled out lowering the voting age to 16 here in the UK, something which pleases me greatly. I heard about 71% of the <18 vote in the Scottish Referendum was for 'Yes', so clearly in the SNPs interest to include them. I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank. Any thoughts?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Kids 16 to 30.
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I heard that if the voting age had been lowered they where going to start stocking the polls with Snicker Bars.
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I've just read that David Cameron has ruled out lowering the voting age to 16 here in the UK, something which pleases me greatly. I heard about 71% of the <18 vote in the Scottish Referendum was for 'Yes', so clearly in the SNPs interest to include them. I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank. Any thoughts?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Good eye, I had forgot all about that commercial.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.0 Beta Have you ever just looked at someone and knew the wheel was turning but the hamster was dead? Trying to understand the behavior of some people is like trying to smell the color 9. I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours!
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I've just read that David Cameron has ruled out lowering the voting age to 16 here in the UK, something which pleases me greatly. I heard about 71% of the <18 vote in the Scottish Referendum was for 'Yes', so clearly in the SNPs interest to include them. I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank. Any thoughts?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Regardless of the country, I think the minimum age to join the armed forces and defend the country should be at least the minimum age for voting. In never made sense to me that someone can join the armed forces with their parents permission, but not be able to vote. By the same token, I am totally fine with setting the minimum age for a drivers license to be the same as the age to join the armed forces and vote. Tim
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I've just read that David Cameron has ruled out lowering the voting age to 16 here in the UK, something which pleases me greatly. I heard about 71% of the <18 vote in the Scottish Referendum was for 'Yes', so clearly in the SNPs interest to include them. I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank. Any thoughts?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank.
I think this misses the real point - most adults don't know what the Central Bank does, or pretty much about anything of any real importance. What is unique about the under 18s is that they've had ~10 years of Salmondonian education. 10 years of Scottish Nationalist education. Case in point, my brother in law arrived at our house for a visit. We gave my missus's nephew some paper and pencils to draw with. He drew nothing but Saltires. I asked him what he was drawing "The flag of the greatest country in the world"* piped the response. OK a bit of pride in one's own may not be a bad thing, but here is the real kicker though - he's Jordanian and so are his parents, they only moved to Scotland two years ago, as my brother in law works as a locum doctor up there. That is the effect of two years of Salmond's propaganda network - imagine what 10 years must achieve. This is the group Salmond managed to get Cameron to extend the franchise to.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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There are plenty of people in Britain well over 16 who don't know the role of a central bank, or many of the other things that they vote for or against.
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Regardless of the country, I think the minimum age to join the armed forces and defend the country should be at least the minimum age for voting. In never made sense to me that someone can join the armed forces with their parents permission, but not be able to vote. By the same token, I am totally fine with setting the minimum age for a drivers license to be the same as the age to join the armed forces and vote. Tim
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Rob Philpott wrote:
I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank.
I think this misses the real point - most adults don't know what the Central Bank does, or pretty much about anything of any real importance. What is unique about the under 18s is that they've had ~10 years of Salmondonian education. 10 years of Scottish Nationalist education. Case in point, my brother in law arrived at our house for a visit. We gave my missus's nephew some paper and pencils to draw with. He drew nothing but Saltires. I asked him what he was drawing "The flag of the greatest country in the world"* piped the response. OK a bit of pride in one's own may not be a bad thing, but here is the real kicker though - he's Jordanian and so are his parents, they only moved to Scotland two years ago, as my brother in law works as a locum doctor up there. That is the effect of two years of Salmond's propaganda network - imagine what 10 years must achieve. This is the group Salmond managed to get Cameron to extend the franchise to.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
Keith Barrow wrote:
He drew nothing but Saltires
Yeah, this is plain wrong, everyone knows the flag of the greatest country in the world is the French flag. (The one with the three colors).
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I like Frankie Boyle's idea of lowering the voting age to 2, since most two-year-olds know as much about politics as most adults. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
most two-year-olds know as much about politics
They behave equally, at least : sleep and eat a lot, talk nonsense and deliver tons of shit.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
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Rob Philpott wrote:
Any thoughts?
My guess is the majority of adults don't even understand what they are voting for so I am not sure including youth would change things much. However, no way should 16 year olds be allowed to vote. :thumbsdown:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
It's also rather difficult to know what you are voting for, when the party you vote for renegues on its election promises.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Keith Barrow wrote:
He drew nothing but Saltires
Yeah, this is plain wrong, everyone knows the flag of the greatest country in the world is the French flag. (The one with the three colors).
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
Rage wrote:
(The one with the three colors).
Well I've heard of 50 shades of grey, but not three shades of white. ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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I've just read that David Cameron has ruled out lowering the voting age to 16 here in the UK, something which pleases me greatly. I heard about 71% of the <18 vote in the Scottish Referendum was for 'Yes', so clearly in the SNPs interest to include them. I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank. Any thoughts?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
Rob Philpott wrote:
I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank.
Isn't that the thing they kept talking about during the crisis? The internets tell me:
The primary function of a central bank is to manage the nation's money supply (monetary policy), through active duties such as managing interest rates, setting the reserve requirement, and acting as a lender of last resort to the banking sector during times of bank insolvency or financial crisis.
That doesn't sound like something I should know before voting.
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Rage wrote:
(The one with the three colors).
Well I've heard of 50 shades of grey, but not three shades of white. ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Fun fact of the day : the blue and red parts of our flags are velcro-fastened on the central white flag, so that we can easily detach them if something gets too dangerous.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.
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I've just read that David Cameron has ruled out lowering the voting age to 16 here in the UK, something which pleases me greatly. I heard about 71% of the <18 vote in the Scottish Referendum was for 'Yes', so clearly in the SNPs interest to include them. I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank. Any thoughts?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
I don't think it's a good idea for 16 year olds to vote as a matter of course. I think it is a very good thing for 16 year olds to be able to vote in a referendum on the future of their country, and it must be really galling that 16-55 year olds voted with quite a convincing margin for independence, only to be denied the future they wanted by old people who have a pretty short future. There's no guarantee that 16 and 17 year olds would vote for the SNP in a general election.
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Rob Philpott wrote:
I wonder how many of these children even knew the role of a Central Bank.
I think this misses the real point - most adults don't know what the Central Bank does, or pretty much about anything of any real importance. What is unique about the under 18s is that they've had ~10 years of Salmondonian education. 10 years of Scottish Nationalist education. Case in point, my brother in law arrived at our house for a visit. We gave my missus's nephew some paper and pencils to draw with. He drew nothing but Saltires. I asked him what he was drawing "The flag of the greatest country in the world"* piped the response. OK a bit of pride in one's own may not be a bad thing, but here is the real kicker though - he's Jordanian and so are his parents, they only moved to Scotland two years ago, as my brother in law works as a locum doctor up there. That is the effect of two years of Salmond's propaganda network - imagine what 10 years must achieve. This is the group Salmond managed to get Cameron to extend the franchise to.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
And the parents have a responsibility in child rearing as well. If the parent allows their child to get all of their opinions from elected officials without joining the conversation, then there is a bigger problem. And I am not saying they were negligent in their duties, but to blame a single person isn't right either.
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And the parents have a responsibility in child rearing as well. If the parent allows their child to get all of their opinions from elected officials without joining the conversation, then there is a bigger problem. And I am not saying they were negligent in their duties, but to blame a single person isn't right either.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
If the parent allows their child to get all of their opinions from elected officials w
I think I haven't been clear enough in my screed - their child didn't get this from an elected official - it is the education system that has done this - he is 7 years old. It is amazing how even small changes to the curriculum have a big effect. In the Middle East it is the norm to use education to cement the idea of countries created by western powers (principally us & the French) along arbitrary lines as being legitimate & having an identity. As Jordanians, the in-laws would have seen this as normal.
Alberto Brandolini:
The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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There are plenty of people in Britain well over 16 who don't know the role of a central bank, or many of the other things that they vote for or against.
Amen. If any kind of competency was a prerequisite for voting, pretty much all adults in any country would be disqualified.
