Code for fun (hobby)
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I know plenty of 'successful' people who lead extremely 'unbalanced' lives. If you want to be good at anything you will need to be obsessed with that thing, in one way or another, which in itself is probably 'unbalanced'
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
GuyThiebaut wrote:
I know plenty of 'successful' people who lead extremely 'unbalanced' lives.
Success in one area does not make up for failure in all others.
Jeremy Falcon
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I know plenty of 'successful' people who lead extremely 'unbalanced' lives. If you want to be good at anything you will need to be obsessed with that thing, in one way or another, which in itself is probably 'unbalanced'
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
That doesn't work for surfing ;P
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I've found that developers who program for fun at their off time usually more in-tune with their skills and have broader knowledge. There are developers that would code at work but have other interests out side of work tense to not very deep in their field. Is my observation off?
In my near thirty years experience as a strange pilgrim come late (post age 40) to the digital world, and programming, based on working in both small teams and in large companies (Adobe), I have not found one generality about character, behavior, temperament, intelligence, brilliance, etc., that applies to programmers. That has contributed greatly to my enjoyment of whatever this wanderjahr was/is. cheers, Bill
« There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad. » Salvador Dali
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I've found that developers who program for fun at their off time usually more in-tune with their skills and have broader knowledge. There are developers that would code at work but have other interests out side of work tense to not very deep in their field. Is my observation off?
Do you need any help to turn it on? nah, I know, I'll get my coat. :doh:
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL. I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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I've found that developers who program for fun at their off time usually more in-tune with their skills and have broader knowledge. There are developers that would code at work but have other interests out side of work tense to not very deep in their field. Is my observation off?
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I know plenty of 'successful' people who lead extremely 'unbalanced' lives. If you want to be good at anything you will need to be obsessed with that thing, in one way or another, which in itself is probably 'unbalanced'
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Technically, a successful life is one where the organism reproduces before it dies. Achieving no other objective can make its life successful. (Coding by day + coding by night + actually managing to reproduce) doesn't sound too incredibly likely.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Technically, a successful life is one where the organism reproduces before it dies. Achieving no other objective can make its life successful. (Coding by day + coding by night + actually managing to reproduce) doesn't sound too incredibly likely.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Are you currently observing rule no. 11[^]? ;P
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Are you currently observing rule no. 11[^]? ;P
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
If I were, I would only be being metaphorically pedantic.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Yes. No. Maybe.
Ahhh - the Schrodinger's Programmer Paradox. You can't determine if a progrmmer is good or bad until you've opened his source code, but until you do, he can be both good and bad.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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"Balanced life" sounds like one of Those Things from the type of magazine that women read, along with "balanced diet" and "balanced body". They'll probably recommend a couple of fads in order to attain it.
You just need an expert[^] to explain it.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I've found that developers who program for fun at their off time usually more in-tune with their skills and have broader knowledge. There are developers that would code at work but have other interests out side of work tense to not very deep in their field. Is my observation off?
At the end of the day, developers are people, and everyone is different and work in their own way. The way that works best for them. I do a fair amount of geekery outside of work, but I also have interests that are non-geek related. I think it's healthy to have other interests, as it makes you a more rounded individual.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
I know plenty of 'successful' people who lead extremely 'unbalanced' lives.
Success in one area does not make up for failure in all others.
Jeremy Falcon
What if Einstein lived a balanced life? Would he have bothered with any equations or theories? To be good at something you have to concentrate and work hard on it. To be great at something you have to work very, very hard. Thus, somethings else have to be ignored or minimized. Olympic athletes are great. And they don't really do anything else besides practice all of the time. I've never met a really great coder/programmer/developer who did not spend more than "balanced" time getting there. But for other people, who don't care about greatness, then a balanced life is great for them. But don't equate "balanced life" with greatness. There is no such thing. - Grant
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To me, A Balanced Life would mean doing no work at all! :)
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
Tightrope walkers lead a balanced life. Why not join a circus?
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Tightrope walkers lead a balanced life. Why not join a circus?
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
vertigo!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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What if Einstein lived a balanced life? Would he have bothered with any equations or theories? To be good at something you have to concentrate and work hard on it. To be great at something you have to work very, very hard. Thus, somethings else have to be ignored or minimized. Olympic athletes are great. And they don't really do anything else besides practice all of the time. I've never met a really great coder/programmer/developer who did not spend more than "balanced" time getting there. But for other people, who don't care about greatness, then a balanced life is great for them. But don't equate "balanced life" with greatness. There is no such thing. - Grant
C Grant Anderson wrote:
What if Einstein lived a balanced life? Would he have bothered with any equations or theories?
While I don't know him personally, Einstein was balanced. Perhaps not so much as John Doe in a bar, but enough to at least function well enough to be happy. Anyway, he played instruments, messed around with women, etc.
C Grant Anderson wrote:
To be good at something you have to concentrate and work hard on it. To be great at something you have to work very, very hard. Thus, somethings else have to be ignored or minimized. Olympic athletes are great. And they don't really do anything else besides practice all of the time.
I totally agree with you on that man. I really do. Bodybuilders that are hardcore spend their life inside a gym. And yet, most of them are miserable. The gym almost becomes a church for them because that's all they know.
C Grant Anderson wrote:
I've never met a really great coder/programmer/developer who did not spend more than "balanced" time getting there.
I have to agree, but coming from that myself, as I've aged I realized what's really important in life. Back in "my day" I lived that crap and knew a lot, but I couldn't communicate well to others. So, I was the only one that knew it. Therefore, my life's work would not have been much useful if I never bothered to learn other skills to get it out there so people can use it. Einstein did this as well. What's the point if you can't market it and you die being great at something nobody ever knows about for instance. And while I agree with the premise of sacrifice, I really do man. Being happy accounts for a lot. I suppose if you're truly happy doing nothing else with your life then more power to you. I just don't see how knowing one extra tech fact can make up for never knowing the true love of a good woman for instance.
Jeremy Falcon
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Leng Vang wrote:
Is my observation off?
Yes.
Totally. When its your job you have to get it right, if a hobbyists programs fails what does it matter? plus if you work in a team you glean knowledge from those that know more. A hobbyists and self taught person can fall into bad habits without knowing or realising. do I need to go on lol. GL
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Technically, a successful life is one where the organism reproduces before it dies. Achieving no other objective can make its life successful. (Coding by day + coding by night + actually managing to reproduce) doesn't sound too incredibly likely.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Technically, a successful life is one where the organism reproduces before it dies. Achieving no other objective can make its life successful.
You know, I never thought of it this way. Brilliant.
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I've found that developers who program for fun at their off time usually more in-tune with their skills and have broader knowledge. There are developers that would code at work but have other interests out side of work tense to not very deep in their field. Is my observation off?
I used to, but now I have way too many other interests. if something is really calling me to research, i'll get a book work with it for a hour or two in the late evening (really liking "D" lang). I got some projects I could do for myself rattling around in my head, but can't justify taking that much time away of the wife and kids. Maybe someday i'll get back to it.
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I've found that developers who program for fun at their off time usually more in-tune with their skills and have broader knowledge. There are developers that would code at work but have other interests out side of work tense to not very deep in their field. Is my observation off?
I think you're right. I also think most of the commenters on this thread completely misunderstood what you asked. For those who did, note that he didn't state that the people programming outside of work weren't also programming at work. His question was more about whether people who *also* program at home, for fun, are more in tune with programming than people who switch off as soon as they leave the office, and only program for work. But yes, all the best of us engage in recreational programming: programming is more than a job for us: it's a way of thinking.
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"Balanced life" sounds like one of Those Things from the type of magazine that women read, along with "balanced diet" and "balanced body". They'll probably recommend a couple of fads in order to attain it.
Ah yes. A Real Programmer works 10-12 hours at their day job, picks up a bag of Cheeto's and a 12 pack of Red Bull on the way home, and then spends 6 or 7 hours working on an open source project of some sort. On the weekend, he puts in 14 hours on Saturday, and 12 on Sunday (his mom won't do his laundry, so he loses a couple hours; good thing the laundry's in the basement next to his computer desk).
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