General Question
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Not sure if this is the right place: not a programing question but if it should be somewhere else I'll happily move it. So, been asked to find out about new membership uptakes on service based web sites (LifeLock or eHarmony, for instance). In other words how many new members would you expect to gain in the first year? Marketing effort would, no doubt, have an impact on the numbers but is there anywhere I can look up some numbers? My google-fu has been letting me down on this one. Thanks.
That's very open-ended. It's a lot like asking what something smells like that you've never smelt. Who knows? The best metric that I know of so far is, the first year will suck. Not too many people knew about eBay, PayPal, Amazon, etc. when they first opened. Getting the word out takes time and money. There's just no other way. People are so "busy" (actually cluttered and confused but I digress) in their daily routine that it takes repetition to drill something in their head. That's one of cornerstones to marketing... repetition. Which means people will have to fundamentally see something over and over again until they reach a point in time where they want to use your product or service. This takes time man. So, unless you got millions to spend on advertising, be realistic and don't assume you'll be the next Amazon within a year.
Jeremy Falcon
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That's very open-ended. It's a lot like asking what something smells like that you've never smelt. Who knows? The best metric that I know of so far is, the first year will suck. Not too many people knew about eBay, PayPal, Amazon, etc. when they first opened. Getting the word out takes time and money. There's just no other way. People are so "busy" (actually cluttered and confused but I digress) in their daily routine that it takes repetition to drill something in their head. That's one of cornerstones to marketing... repetition. Which means people will have to fundamentally see something over and over again until they reach a point in time where they want to use your product or service. This takes time man. So, unless you got millions to spend on advertising, be realistic and don't assume you'll be the next Amazon within a year.
Jeremy Falcon
Sage advice: thanks. I was thinking that there may be some metrics published somewhere: I guess not!
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Sage advice: thanks. I was thinking that there may be some metrics published somewhere: I guess not!
Even if there were it wouldn't help *that* much. There's way too many variables involved. There are some things in life you just have to hanker down and grit your teeth and go through, like making a million, learning about women, losing weight, etc. You can get an idea by reading about it, but it's not so cut in dry like with computers as there are so many factors involved to your personal situation, the market, etc. I will say this, everyone who's ever made it, in just about any endeavor in life, they were introspective. People that never learn about themselves - their strengths and weaknesses - NEVER make it in life. You have to see your own flaws and fix them. Try, test, try again, etc. I'm no millionaire, but I know enough of them and have success in other areas in life to know this to be true.
Jeremy Falcon
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Not sure if this is the right place: not a programing question but if it should be somewhere else I'll happily move it. So, been asked to find out about new membership uptakes on service based web sites (LifeLock or eHarmony, for instance). In other words how many new members would you expect to gain in the first year? Marketing effort would, no doubt, have an impact on the numbers but is there anywhere I can look up some numbers? My google-fu has been letting me down on this one. Thanks.
Extrapolation will be required, however, publicly traded companies file periodic reports from which ballpark data can be obtained. If you're lucky, privately held companies have one or more publicly held competitors and those competitors usually mention some of their competition's numbers in their filings. See here:
SEC.gov | EDGAR | Search Tools:
http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/webusers.htmOnce you know when the company started, for example, you might still be able to find old business articles about them on the Internet. Good luck! Rick
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Even if there were it wouldn't help *that* much. There's way too many variables involved. There are some things in life you just have to hanker down and grit your teeth and go through, like making a million, learning about women, losing weight, etc. You can get an idea by reading about it, but it's not so cut in dry like with computers as there are so many factors involved to your personal situation, the market, etc. I will say this, everyone who's ever made it, in just about any endeavor in life, they were introspective. People that never learn about themselves - their strengths and weaknesses - NEVER make it in life. You have to see your own flaws and fix them. Try, test, try again, etc. I'm no millionaire, but I know enough of them and have success in other areas in life to know this to be true.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Even if there were it wouldn't help *that* much.
How would you know that?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's way too many variables involved.
Really? I never knew that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There are some things in life you just have to hanker down and grit your teeth and go through, like making a million, learning about women, losing weight, etc.
Thanks but this is where I started to vomit. Appreciate the *advice* but when I need a 12 step program I'll be in touch.
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Extrapolation will be required, however, publicly traded companies file periodic reports from which ballpark data can be obtained. If you're lucky, privately held companies have one or more publicly held competitors and those competitors usually mention some of their competition's numbers in their filings. See here:
SEC.gov | EDGAR | Search Tools:
http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/webusers.htmOnce you know when the company started, for example, you might still be able to find old business articles about them on the Internet. Good luck! Rick
Perfect: thanks. :thumbsup:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Even if there were it wouldn't help *that* much.
How would you know that?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's way too many variables involved.
Really? I never knew that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There are some things in life you just have to hanker down and grit your teeth and go through, like making a million, learning about women, losing weight, etc.
Thanks but this is where I started to vomit. Appreciate the *advice* but when I need a 12 step program I'll be in touch.
mark merrens wrote:
Appreciate the *advice* but when I need a 12 step program I'll be in touch.
Enjoy that climb man. I've talked a lot of people in my day if you think what I said is hoopla and you can magically read something online that's accurate to YOUR scenario, you have a uphill battle. Best of luck.
Jeremy Falcon
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mark merrens wrote:
Appreciate the *advice* but when I need a 12 step program I'll be in touch.
Enjoy that climb man. I've talked a lot of people in my day if you think what I said is hoopla and you can magically read something online that's accurate to YOUR scenario, you have a uphill battle. Best of luck.
Jeremy Falcon
Nope, that's not what I said. I asked if anyone has a source for some data; I didn't ask you for a cheesy lecture on life.
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Nope, that's not what I said. I asked if anyone has a source for some data; I didn't ask you for a cheesy lecture on life.
I realize that, but I'm also telling you it won't magically do anything for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't find "some" metrics though. I'm saying, you're gonna find out yours will most likely be different anyway. And it's not cheesy, you may wish to rethink that and expand your horizons. It's simple man, the millionaires I've met don't think much about the crap "information" on the Internet. I have success in other areas, and I know first hand in those areas, "information" on the Internet is garbage. It's written by clueless people for clueless people. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to read and know, but at the end of the day, climbing to the top is a solo journey. May not wanna start by dissing someone with some experience in that arena who's trying to help.
Jeremy Falcon
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I don't think you are going to be able to google this as it is very different between companies, and also very private information. Your best bet would probably be to use a heuristic approach and produce upper and lower estimates.
Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
Your best bet would probably be to use a heuristic approach and produce upper and lower estimates.
AKA ... make some sh*t up! :-D
The environment that nurtures creative programmers kills management and marketing types - and vice versa. - Orson Scott Card
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I realize that, but I'm also telling you it won't magically do anything for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't find "some" metrics though. I'm saying, you're gonna find out yours will most likely be different anyway. And it's not cheesy, you may wish to rethink that and expand your horizons. It's simple man, the millionaires I've met don't think much about the crap "information" on the Internet. I have success in other areas, and I know first hand in those areas, "information" on the Internet is garbage. It's written by clueless people for clueless people. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to read and know, but at the end of the day, climbing to the top is a solo journey. May not wanna start by dissing someone with some experience in that arena who's trying to help.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I realize that, but I'm also telling you it won't magically do anything for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't find "some" metrics though. I'm saying, you're gonna find out yours will most likely be different anyway.
Again, you can have no idea what it'll do for me. I didn't say why I wanted them. Perhaps it was just curiosity or my kids have a project or I have invented the next Farcebook. You have no idea.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And it's not cheesy,
Oh yes it was: cheesy and lecturing and vomitus and I didn't ask you for advice. If I wanted life coaching I would have asked for it. I didn't, so why did you feel the need to offer it? Arrogance, perhaps?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
the millionaires I've met
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
May not wanna start by dissing someone with some experience in that arena who's trying to help.
LOL. That was hilarious. I have no idea who or what you think you are but it is of little or no consequence to me and, as far as "dissing" you goes, home boy, take it that you have been mightily dissed.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Even if there were it wouldn't help *that* much.
How would you know that?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's way too many variables involved.
Really? I never knew that.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There are some things in life you just have to hanker down and grit your teeth and go through, like making a million, learning about women, losing weight, etc.
Thanks but this is where I started to vomit. Appreciate the *advice* but when I need a 12 step program I'll be in touch.
mark merrens wrote:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's way too many variables involved.
Really? I never knew that.
Surprised you didn't ask how many variables there are. :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I realize that, but I'm also telling you it won't magically do anything for you. I'm not saying you shouldn't find "some" metrics though. I'm saying, you're gonna find out yours will most likely be different anyway.
Again, you can have no idea what it'll do for me. I didn't say why I wanted them. Perhaps it was just curiosity or my kids have a project or I have invented the next Farcebook. You have no idea.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And it's not cheesy,
Oh yes it was: cheesy and lecturing and vomitus and I didn't ask you for advice. If I wanted life coaching I would have asked for it. I didn't, so why did you feel the need to offer it? Arrogance, perhaps?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
the millionaires I've met
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
May not wanna start by dissing someone with some experience in that arena who's trying to help.
LOL. That was hilarious. I have no idea who or what you think you are but it is of little or no consequence to me and, as far as "dissing" you goes, home boy, take it that you have been mightily dissed.
You just like to argue and get pissy over nothing. I'm not wasting my time talking to a child (that's you) like this. Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you're doing.
Jeremy Falcon
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mark merrens wrote:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's way too many variables involved.
Really? I never knew that.
Surprised you didn't ask how many variables there are. :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Jeremy Falcon
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mark merrens wrote:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There's way too many variables involved.
Really? I never knew that.
Surprised you didn't ask how many variables there are. :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
He'd have to prove the existence of the variables. :)
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You just like to argue and get pissy over nothing. I'm not wasting my time talking to a child (that's you) like this. Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you're doing.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You just like to argue and get pissy over nothing.
No, I just don't want to be lectured on life by someone who does not know me. It's like being accosted in the street by an evangelist. It's arrogant and pompous and never ends well.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you're doing.
Thanks. Mind if I give you some life tips? For instance, pissing someone off because you think you know better than everyone else. Don't do it.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You just like to argue and get pissy over nothing.
No, I just don't want to be lectured on life by someone who does not know me. It's like being accosted in the street by an evangelist. It's arrogant and pompous and never ends well.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Have a nice day and good luck with whatever you're doing.
Thanks. Mind if I give you some life tips? For instance, pissing someone off because you think you know better than everyone else. Don't do it.
You're way too sensitive.
Jeremy Falcon
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You're way too sensitive.
Jeremy Falcon
Think about it this way. I asked if anyone knew where I could possibly find some info. There are 3 possible answers to this question: No: which means you won't answer anyway; Yes: which means you give me a link to some information that might be helpful or Jokey: you take the piss out of my question (very acceptable). What you don't do is answer the question with a lecture on how to live life. Why would you expect anyone to react with anything less than disdain if you are arrogant enough to think you know the person well enough to a) believe they need the lecture or b) to have the gall to deliver it. The sensitivity appears to be all you not seeing that your behavior is arrogant, pompous and unwanted. But, since you are like that, I suspect you won't change. So, have a nice day.
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Think about it this way. I asked if anyone knew where I could possibly find some info. There are 3 possible answers to this question: No: which means you won't answer anyway; Yes: which means you give me a link to some information that might be helpful or Jokey: you take the piss out of my question (very acceptable). What you don't do is answer the question with a lecture on how to live life. Why would you expect anyone to react with anything less than disdain if you are arrogant enough to think you know the person well enough to a) believe they need the lecture or b) to have the gall to deliver it. The sensitivity appears to be all you not seeing that your behavior is arrogant, pompous and unwanted. But, since you are like that, I suspect you won't change. So, have a nice day.
I'm not reading this. I've lost interest. You can have the last word in all the replies you want after this if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. See ya.
Jeremy Falcon