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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    They may say the same of yours.

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    Jeremy Falcon
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    Yeah, what I've learned is, even though I consider myself one of the non-retarded devs, there are times I write retarded code. Like when under time constraints, etc.

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      They may say the same of yours.

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      Slacker007
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      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

      They may say the same of yours.

      No, they don't. I am actually being called in to clean up their mess.

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        Yeah, what I've learned is, even though I consider myself one of the non-retarded devs, there are times I write retarded code. Like when under time constraints, etc.

        Jeremy Falcon

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        Slacker007
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        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        there are times I write retarded code. Like when under time constraints,

        You can disagree with me here, but there is no excuse to write retarded code. Where I work, you can get into A LOT of trouble you submit bad/not working code into production. My grievance goes beyond aesthetics or "code style", but rather with code that is so poorly written, it doesn't work properly.

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          knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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          Lost User
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          Slacker007 wrote:

          yet these "senior" engineers are still employed.

          And posting in Q&A. :laugh:

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            Jeremy Falcon wrote:

            there are times I write retarded code. Like when under time constraints,

            You can disagree with me here, but there is no excuse to write retarded code. Where I work, you can get into A LOT of trouble you submit bad/not working code into production. My grievance goes beyond aesthetics or "code style", but rather with code that is so poorly written, it doesn't work properly.

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            Slacker007 wrote:

            You can disagree with me here, but there is no excuse to write retarded code. Where I work, you can get into A LOT of trouble you submit bad/not working code into production.

            When I say retarded, I don't mean completely asinine. I mean not "perfect". There are times it happens. Is it great? No. I do like it? No. Is that just the world works? Yup. If you're thinking something along the lines of, let's just say, not having a single point of reference, not using constants, not being consistent with formatting, etc. then I totally agree with you. There's never an excuse for that.

            Jeremy Falcon

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              Slacker007 wrote:

              yet these "senior" engineers are still employed.

              And posting in Q&A. :laugh:

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              Richard MacCutchan wrote:

              And posting in Q&A. :laugh:

              Laughed so hard at this, my soda went out my nose. Ah, the burn. :thumbsup:

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                Slacker007 wrote:

                yet these "senior" engineers are still employed.

                And posting in Q&A. :laugh:

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                OriginalGriff
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                And posting "Articles" here as well... :sigh:

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • S Slacker007

                  knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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                  ;P

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                  • S Slacker007

                    knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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                    That's why you need a good peer-review system. For one thing, it encourages people to make a little more effort to get it right first time, because they realise that trying to save time will cost a lot more. For another, when everyone is used to others finding gaffes in their work, and critiquing it honestly and openly, it gets rid of any ego problems.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      And posting "Articles" here as well... :sigh:

                      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                      Kenneth Haugland
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                      And steal your profile picture :laugh:

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                        ;P

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                        Kenneth Haugland
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                        They live by themselves in themselves for themselves, ins't it obvious? I think therefor I am sort of thing I guess :laugh:

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                        • S Slacker007

                          knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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                          My experience is, that people who are writing bad code have also bad habits. So I often critize bad code to hit these guys. :cool: God bless we only a small amount of this slack. (but I know one - one of my collegues)

                          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                          • M Mark_Wallace

                            That's why you need a good peer-review system. For one thing, it encourages people to make a little more effort to get it right first time, because they realise that trying to save time will cost a lot more. For another, when everyone is used to others finding gaffes in their work, and critiquing it honestly and openly, it gets rid of any ego problems.

                            I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                            BillWoodruff
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                            Mark_Wallace wrote:

                            when everyone is used to others finding gaffes in their work, and critiquing it honestly and openly, it gets rid of any ego problems.

                            Because it leads to homicide and suicide and, thus, removes the cause of the ego problems ?

                            « There is only one difference between a madman and me. The madman thinks he is sane. I know I am mad. » Salvador Dali

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                              knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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                              Hey, you're not the boss of me. So Ha Ha my code smells like dinosaur's farts. :-D

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                              • S Slacker007

                                knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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                                RedDk
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                                :wtf: , :omg: ... packk 'yer things. 'Yer fired. :suss:

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                                  And posting "Articles" here as well... :sigh:

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                                  CHill60
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                                  plagiarised ones?? Which company do they work for? ;P

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                                    plagiarised ones?? Which company do they work for? ;P

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                                    OriginalGriff
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                                    Brainblaze, I think...;)

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                                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                    • S Slacker007

                                      knowing that their code smells worse then dinosaur farts?! Honestly, I could not advertise myself as a competent software engineer, if I knowingly produced such excrement. and yet these "senior" engineers are still employed. :wtf: :omg:

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                                      Super Lloyd
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                                      I know exactly how you feel, same here! :omg: :((

                                      My programming get away... The Blog... DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                                      • J Jeremy Falcon

                                        Yeah, what I've learned is, even though I consider myself one of the non-retarded devs, there are times I write retarded code. Like when under time constraints, etc.

                                        Jeremy Falcon

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Client: We need this and we need it now. Dev: That will take 3 or 4 days to do Client: We need it today or you don't get paid! Dev: No way - only way I could do that would be to do a real quick and dirty - bypass the ORM , directly access the Db via ... Client: lala lalalla lalala Dev's Boss: The Dev said he could do it! nSo Doit Do it DO IT! Dev: BUt it's just a quick fix, right, we'll re-engineer it straight away, right? In the next sprint? Dev's Boss: Sure. :rubs hands together: Dev: I hate my life!

                                        PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                                          Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                          there are times I write retarded code. Like when under time constraints,

                                          You can disagree with me here, but there is no excuse to write retarded code. Where I work, you can get into A LOT of trouble you submit bad/not working code into production. My grievance goes beyond aesthetics or "code style", but rather with code that is so poorly written, it doesn't work properly.

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                                          Mycroft Holmes
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                                          Slacker007 wrote:

                                          submit bad/not working code into production.

                                          I would think the various testing phases should get 99% of "not working" code! We do most our specification in UAT, get an idea what the user wants to achieve, build a POC, send it to UAT and actually get something from the users that makes sense.

                                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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