Michael Brown
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That's ridiculous. I said it because as soon as someone starts talking about someone who's black, everyone assumes they're racist, so I put out the disclaimer first.
I can cope with people talking about black people (or any other colour) without thinking they're racist. Only racist people think otherwise. People who assume they will be considered racist so have to get their defence in first on the other hand. Like, to take an example from above, if you started a conversation about sex by saying "I'm not a rapist" I'd think to myself that's an odd thing to say, he must be a bit rapey.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I'm an educated and reasonable guy.... This whole Ferguson situation isn't about race. Race had NOTHING to do with it. Here are the FACTS, and apparently, the grand jury and the evidence agree... 1. Michael Brown goes into a store and commits a strong arm robbery. 2. Call goes out to police. 3. Officer Darren Wilson spots brown and confronts him. 4. Brown attacks Wilson and Wilson defends himself. 5. Brown died in the commission of a felony. I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black. JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
Protesters insist he died because of stereotype: black=criminal So they fight with this stereotype by starting riots, destroying public (and private) property, hurting other people and stealing TVs from stores. It makes sense, doesn't it?
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Protesters insist he died because of stereotype: black=criminal So they fight with this stereotype by starting riots, destroying public (and private) property, hurting other people and stealing TVs from stores. It makes sense, doesn't it?
Protesters are protesting. Rioters are rioting and looters are looting. They are not the same thing. An excuse can be a convenient one if you want to be an asshole.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Protesters are protesting. Rioters are rioting and looters are looting. They are not the same thing. An excuse can be a convenient one if you want to be an asshole.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I'm an educated and reasonable guy.... This whole Ferguson situation isn't about race. Race had NOTHING to do with it. Here are the FACTS, and apparently, the grand jury and the evidence agree... 1. Michael Brown goes into a store and commits a strong arm robbery. 2. Call goes out to police. 3. Officer Darren Wilson spots brown and confronts him. 4. Brown attacks Wilson and Wilson defends himself. 5. Brown died in the commission of a felony. I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black. JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
The console is a black place
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Every time someone says they're not racist I assume from that moment on that they are.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
I'm making it a lot simpler for me. I assume everyone to be a racist to some extent. I have never met a person that's without prejudice. And that's simply how we are constructed, it's not even a conscious choice, it's simply how our learning process works. Actually, scrap that, there are people without prejudice. It's small children that never learnt or knew about different people. And as I hate double standards emphatically, and I'm doing my very best to treat people the same, I still know that I will keep on checking my wallet every time I've been approached by a beggar.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
The console is a black place
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I'm making it a lot simpler for me. I assume everyone to be a racist to some extent. I have never met a person that's without prejudice. And that's simply how we are constructed, it's not even a conscious choice, it's simply how our learning process works. Actually, scrap that, there are people without prejudice. It's small children that never learnt or knew about different people. And as I hate double standards emphatically, and I'm doing my very best to treat people the same, I still know that I will keep on checking my wallet every time I've been approached by a beggar.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I have never met a person that's without prejudice.
Having prejudice about a person or group of people does not make you a racist, there is more to it than that.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I'm an educated and reasonable guy.... This whole Ferguson situation isn't about race. Race had NOTHING to do with it. Here are the FACTS, and apparently, the grand jury and the evidence agree... 1. Michael Brown goes into a store and commits a strong arm robbery. 2. Call goes out to police. 3. Officer Darren Wilson spots brown and confronts him. 4. Brown attacks Wilson and Wilson defends himself. 5. Brown died in the commission of a felony. I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black. JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
We live in a racist society. If we did not the report would have said a policeman shot an unarmed 18 year old with no mention of race. By news accounts you would think Mr. Brown was an innocent small kid not a large mean man. Notice I left out the word young (man) as that would not be PC. :) It is hard for anyone when the media labels you. Innocent or guilty if the media says something true or not, people will go along with it. Imagine if the media reports were "Criminal attacks policeman and is killed" what kind of outcry then? I am not saying Mr. Brown was a criminal as he has not been convicted of the robbery, this is a hypothetical example.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I have never met a person that's without prejudice.
Having prejudice about a person or group of people does not make you a racist, there is more to it than that.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
Agreed. But it starts with classifying people into groupings based on your prejudices. It's rather more of a grayscale. When does it stop being a prejudice and turn into racism?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
The console is a black place
I take it you have a .45
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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We live in a racist society. If we did not the report would have said a policeman shot an unarmed 18 year old with no mention of race. By news accounts you would think Mr. Brown was an innocent small kid not a large mean man. Notice I left out the word young (man) as that would not be PC. :) It is hard for anyone when the media labels you. Innocent or guilty if the media says something true or not, people will go along with it. Imagine if the media reports were "Criminal attacks policeman and is killed" what kind of outcry then? I am not saying Mr. Brown was a criminal as he has not been convicted of the robbery, this is a hypothetical example.
Indeed we do. Is there any (reasonably) unbiased news source where I read about this?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I take it you have a .45
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I wasn't actually referring to your SIG but the sig of JSOP. But I guess you knew that already.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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chriselst wrote:
Every time someone says they're not racist I assume from that moment on that they are.
Never assume anything... In any case, if you call someone a racist, how do you expect to respond? Be a bit like an innocent man being accused of rape saying "I'm not a rapist". In your mind he is now extra guilty.
Karel Čapek wrote:
Be a bit like an innocent man being accused of rape saying "I'm not a rapist".
It's more like someone randomly saying "I'm not a rapist" for no apparent reason. ;P Starting a conversation by denying something that you haven't yet been accused of is always suspicious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtpgz4L5d8[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Agreed. But it starts with classifying people into groupings based on your prejudices. It's rather more of a grayscale. When does it stop being a prejudice and turn into racism?
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
When does it stop being a prejudice and turn into racism?
When you decide that someone is inferior to you simply because of the race they are. When you decide to abuse or mistreat someone simply because of the race they are. When you refuse to let someone do something something simply because of the race they are. It's not too difficult to not be a racist.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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I'm basically with you - But I also often hear people being shot multiple times by cops. I'm an Air Force Sergeant, and from my (and my instructor's) experiences I can tell you that you don't need to shoot someone multiple times, once they're hit they are unlikeable to be dangerous. If cops need more than two shots to bring someone down they aren't racist, but in need of more training at the gun. I can hit an area of 2 square inches over a distance of 27 Yards, why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
The console is a black place
Marco Bertschi wrote:
why shouldn't a cop be able to do the same?
Because the difference is night and day when in training / practice compared to being in a real life-threatening situation where adrenaline is high. Same thing as being in a fight really. All the practice in fight class, it helps, but nothing still compares to the real thing.
Jeremy Falcon
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Every time someone says they're not racist I assume from that moment on that they are.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
What do you suggest as a test then? Ducking?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I don't have a racist bone in my body, and I'm an educated and reasonable guy.... This whole Ferguson situation isn't about race. Race had NOTHING to do with it. Here are the FACTS, and apparently, the grand jury and the evidence agree... 1. Michael Brown goes into a store and commits a strong arm robbery. 2. Call goes out to police. 3. Officer Darren Wilson spots brown and confronts him. 4. Brown attacks Wilson and Wilson defends himself. 5. Brown died in the commission of a felony. I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black. JUSTICE WAS SERVED!
zephaneas wrote:
I have ZERO sympathy for thugs who commit crimes and die in the process, white or black.
JUSTICE WAS SERVED!He stole a box of cigars. I'm not saying he didn't deserve punishment, but being completely ok with killing him over cigars makes you no less heartless than the criminals themselves.
Jeremy Falcon
