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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    You can program it, it has input and output - heck, it's even got a graphics display(if a bit low resolution, unless it is working with really fine silk). What does a computer do that this doesn't? (Apart from play Doom :laugh: )

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    Mark_Wallace
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    OriginalGriff wrote:

    What does a computer do that this doesn't? (Apart from play Doom :laugh: )

    It took me Four Hours to make that f***in' cacodemon, and you just chopped it up with a f***in' chainsaw!

    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      I think the ping time would make it kinda difficult to play! :laugh:

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      The Ping is the excuse of the weak !

      Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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        The Ping is the excuse of the weak !

        Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true

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        OriginalGriff
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        Argonia wrote:

        The Ping is the excuse of the weak week!

        FTFY!

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Um...maybe not. I'd be tempted to throw the Jacquard Loom[^] into the picture: programmable, digital, working (and still in use in some places) - invented in 1801 - and kick started the Industrial Revolution.

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          Yes, Charles Babbage went to France and saw a Jacquard loom that created a multi-color silk portrait of Napoleon using over a million cardboard rectangles into which holes were punched to regulate weaving. But, I'm not sure I'd call that digital.

          «If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'»  What does that tell you about sanity in these times?

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          • S Simon ORiordan from UK

            Here we go:[](Americas First Computer)http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed While we think 'the world' of Americans, they really must resist being so inbred; the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'. There there. Eniac was America's First Computer. :laugh:

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            BillWoodruff
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            Well, how about the Antikythera Mechanism circa 3rd. century BCE (Before Common Era). It's age has, recently, been reported to be at least a century older than previously thought: [^]. The Antikythera Project and Musuem: [^]. Another Antikythera site: [^]. Videos: [^]. But, it's not digital.

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            • B BillWoodruff

              Yes, Charles Babbage went to France and saw a Jacquard loom that created a multi-color silk portrait of Napoleon using over a million cardboard rectangles into which holes were punched to regulate weaving. But, I'm not sure I'd call that digital.

              «If you search in Google for 'no-one ever got fired for buying IBM:' the top-hit is the Wikipedia article on 'Fear, uncertainty and doubt'»  What does that tell you about sanity in these times?

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              OriginalGriff
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              It's binary - on for a hole, off for the absence of a hole. So it isn't analog! :laugh:

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                It's binary - on for a hole, off for the absence of a hole. So it isn't analog! :laugh:

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                I'm not sure that the Jacquard Loom can be considered digital. Certainly the Loom meets the test of "fully programmable" in the sense that, up to its mechanical/physical limits, it could render any design that could be made with the thread at hand. And, the cardboard "program" (sewn together cards) was, indeed, rolled off a spindle in a sequence, as I recall (based on reading over thirty-years ago). No undo, no goto, no recursion: the ultimate declarative language ? :) Would a true "digital" computer have to have a memory-store, and the capability of some kind of branching based on conditional evaluation, and looping ? I think so. I'm trying to remember the names of those three Italian theorists who stipulated that those three attributes were essential for a Turing machine, but drawing a blank. I'm inclined to think the true "computer" in the case of the Jacquard Loom was the human intelligence that figured out what cards were needed, and how they should be punched. cheers, Bill

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                • L Lost User

                  Sometimes I bet you wish you never discovered us in the first place.

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                  Nelek
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                  I thought you were discovered by the spanish

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    I don't know! Google defines it as: "an electronic device which is capable of receiving information (data) in a particular form and of performing a sequence of operations in accordance with a predetermined but variable set of procedural instructions (program) to produce a result in the form of information or signals." But Wiki says: "A computer is a general purpose device that can be programmed to carry out a set of arithmetic or logical operations automatically. Since a sequence of operations can be readily changed, the computer can solve more than one kind of problem." And I have to say that the google definition is closer to my ideal! But...the "electronic" bit would exclude the Jacquard Loom - and also the Babbage Difference Engine. Removing that would remove Ada Lovelace from the role of "first programmer" and I'm pretty sure she deserves that title! So my feeling is that the Google definition (sans one word) fits a computer well - and also the loom. You have to remember that all out modern computers are based on devices which worked solely from punched cards - which started life as a data storage media, which were derived from the loom! :laugh: As usual, the "Search for Beginnings" is complicated...

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                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    As usual, the "Search for Beginnings" is complicated...

                    What was first? The chicken or the egg? :laugh: :laugh:

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                      OriginalGriff wrote:

                      As usual, the "Search for Beginnings" is complicated...

                      What was first? The chicken or the egg? :laugh: :laugh:

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      That one's easy: the egg. 1) Long, long before the first even vaguely recognisable chicken-like creature, dinosaurs were laying eggs (among a lot of other species over the years) 2) And then...[^]

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                      • S Simon ORiordan from UK

                        Here we go:[](Americas First Computer)http://www.wired.com/2014/11/eniac-unearthed While we think 'the world' of Americans, they really must resist being so inbred; the World's First Computer was Collossus at Bletchley Park, or even Charles Babbage's 'Difference Engine'. There there. Eniac was America's First Computer. :laugh:

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                        Mike Meinz
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                        Walter Isaacson's "The Innovators" contains an excellent history of early computing and the individuals involved.

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