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  • M Maximilien

    I think most of the Iraki first line of defense will surrender quite fast, they are not supposed to be the best of the Iraki army, a bit like in GW v1.0; they will surrender because they are not well equipped and probably starving and thirsty. All of these prisoners will need to be taken care of, and will put pressure on the US/UK/and the rest, to "debrief" them. The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy. Max.

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    Maximilien wrote: The main Iraki army, the Republican guard is said to be stationned around Bagdad,and better trainned, equipped and feed; I think they might not go down easy I also fear a big resistance from SH tribe, around his native town.

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      Mike Gaskey wrote: I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, but because 94% of the people in Turkey don't want war when the turkish army wants it, a severe political crisis could result. Moreover, it would also solve the problem of turkish troops in iraqi Kurdistan.

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      I think we agree here. Even though we differ on the over all Iraq issue (or the US approach) it would probably cause untold harm to the Turkish people and the country overall if the populace disagrees so severly. Mike

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      • R Russell Morris

        KaЯl wrote: Does the US Army plan to use the Orange Agent again? Yes, of course. How else are we going to make it through the dense vegetation of the desert? :laugh: -- Russell Morris "Have you gone mad Frink? Put down that science pole!"

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        :laugh::laugh:

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        • C Chris Maunder

          JoeSox wrote: 350,000-strong Iraqi army Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. cheers, Chris Maunder

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          Anna Jayne Metcalfe
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          Incredible. :wtf: Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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          • J JoeSox

            "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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            JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Don't believe it for a minute. no matter how successful the Allied campaign is, people are going to die. I don't think that is something we should take lightly. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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              "The message to the 350,000-strong Iraqi army from leaflet bombs dropped by aircraft and airborne radio broadcasts is simple: Surrender or die." http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030319-85008636.htm[^] "The propaganda effort may pay off once war starts, but the Iraqi army already is demoralized, U.S. officials said." This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Later,
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              May I be picky again? Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender.

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                JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. People will still die, right?

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                Absolutely. That's why tonight I'm not going back home. On the way there I could witness a car wreck where people die, or even worse, I could die in one myself. Death is such a horrible thing! We should outlaw knives and baseball bats, and of course guns, and cars... oh the horror! ;P Regards, Alvaro

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                  May I be picky again? Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender.

                  Italian is a beautiful language. amare means to love, and amara bitter.
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                  peterchen wrote: May I be picky again? It is always fun, so by all means.:) peterchen wrote: Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender. I agree that it is very arrogant. But, if you can accept the preface that W and Co. were going to have this war regardless of UN and other diplomatic avenues, it seems reasonable. They are offering people a way to avoid fighting. Also, I think that propaganda has been used in military theaters for a long time now. Maybe we are just seeing an evolution of that. BTW, I am assuming your question was rethorical. We know that all hell would break loose. The word abbreviation is awfully long for what it means.

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                    JoeSox wrote: 350,000-strong Iraqi army Just think - the CodeProject membership is almost the size of the Iraqi army. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                    Sir, as your military commander of the programmer union, I strongly believe that we should crush the spammer rebellion. We must deliver a swift and powerful strike on these infidels! We must end this reign of email terror! We must bring order to the Internet! I will await your answer, and I hope I will command our troops to engage the enemy once and for all. -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                      JoeSox wrote: This "war" will be like taking candy from a baby. Don't believe it for a minute. no matter how successful the Allied campaign is, people are going to die. I don't think that is something we should take lightly. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                      Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. However, I say that death is a natural part of war. It's not a good thing, but it happens. It's like driving in a car. You risk injury or loss of life, yet it doesn't stop you from getting in a car to get somewhere relatively fast. That's how war should be viewed. Our objective is to change the regime, and to get there we risk losing human life. It's just the way it goes. Regards, Alvaro

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                        Nobody knows, but there's a possibility that Iraq defense lines just surrender when seeing the first US helmet. Wouldn't it be possible to see first if the Iraqi Army collapses, before dropping thousands of bombs and missiles on the cities?

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                        Maybe we should just drop flowers and French wine? :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                          Sir, as your military commander of the programmer union, I strongly believe that we should crush the spammer rebellion. We must deliver a swift and powerful strike on these infidels! We must end this reign of email terror! We must bring order to the Internet! I will await your answer, and I hope I will command our troops to engage the enemy once and for all. -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                          Let's nuke them! :laugh:

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                            Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I don't think that is something we should take lightly. I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen. I hope that Saddam values his life enough to step down and allow the US to take over without the need for war. However, I say that death is a natural part of war. It's not a good thing, but it happens. It's like driving in a car. You risk injury or loss of life, yet it doesn't stop you from getting in a car to get somewhere relatively fast. That's how war should be viewed. Our objective is to change the regime, and to get there we risk losing human life. It's just the way it goes. Regards, Alvaro

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                            Alvaro Mendez wrote: I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen After invading Iraq, no?

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                              peterchen wrote: May I be picky again? It is always fun, so by all means.:) peterchen wrote: Who grants the US the right to propaganda Iraq this way (it's already going on for days, if not weeks, mind you)? Imagine ANY country (be it Canada) to drop leaflets near an US Army base, recommending them to surrender. I agree that it is very arrogant. But, if you can accept the preface that W and Co. were going to have this war regardless of UN and other diplomatic avenues, it seems reasonable. They are offering people a way to avoid fighting. Also, I think that propaganda has been used in military theaters for a long time now. Maybe we are just seeing an evolution of that. BTW, I am assuming your question was rethorical. We know that all hell would break loose. The word abbreviation is awfully long for what it means.

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                              Chris Austin wrote: It is always fun, so by all means. Thank you ;) Yes, it was rhethorical, and I have the Iraquis rather surrender than kill or die. However, I still believe that the good guy should do it the good way, even if it's harder - "If you look into the abyss, the abyss will look into you." And if the US wants to become the "world ruler" they betetr do it the good guy's way, or people will take up arms against them just because it's them, and it will all end in an ugly mess.

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                                Mike Gaskey wrote: I think that is scheduled in the future ( a day, maybe less ) although it is possible that is the vote that granted the overflight authority. I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, but because 94% of the people in Turkey don't want war when the turkish army wants it, a severe political crisis could result. Moreover, it would also solve the problem of turkish troops in iraqi Kurdistan.

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                                KaЯl wrote: I hope this vote won't happen. Not to stop the US of course, Of course not ..... Finally a Frenchman that isn't an obstructionist:rolleyes:;P:rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                  Maybe we should just drop flowers and French wine? :rolleyes: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                  There are much better uses for wine than dropping it!

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                                    Let's nuke them! :laugh:

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                                    Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                                    I managed to stash away some ping of death and teardrops since it was banned. :extremely evil grin: :-D -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

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                                      Alvaro Mendez wrote: I think the US government has shown that killing people (whether innocent or not) is the last thing it wants to happen After invading Iraq, no?

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                                      Maybe we should just try to appease him, its worked well in the past.:laugh: Maybe they won't hurt us. Seriously though, it better to do this now (seeing s how we were to dumb to finish in '91) before weapons might "migrate" into other hands. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                        There are much better uses for wine than dropping it!

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                                        Only California wine;), we're boycotting here. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                          Maybe we should just try to appease him, its worked well in the past.:laugh: Maybe they won't hurt us. Seriously though, it better to do this now (seeing s how we were to dumb to finish in '91) before weapons might "migrate" into other hands. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                                          Invading a country for a "might" is perhaps for you a good reason, it's not in my opinion.

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