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Erik Meijer: AGILE must be destroyed, once and for all

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  • K Kent Sharkey

    The Register[^]:

    Enough of the stand-up meetings please, just WRITE SOME CODE

    "One of you... must do this."

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    • K Kent Sharkey

      The Register[^]:

      Enough of the stand-up meetings please, just WRITE SOME CODE

      "One of you... must do this."

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      Aw stick it in your backlog. :~

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      • K Kent Sharkey

        The Register[^]:

        Enough of the stand-up meetings please, just WRITE SOME CODE

        "One of you... must do this."

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        newton saber
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        I will not even reply to such a troll! I will not tell you how terribly stupid that article is. I refuse to be dragged into this discussion and tell you how confused he is that he says that Agile should be this and should be that, when the true definition of Agile is already a lot of what he is trying to say it ought to be. Nope. I won't even reply. Won't do it.

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          I will not even reply to such a troll! I will not tell you how terribly stupid that article is. I refuse to be dragged into this discussion and tell you how confused he is that he says that Agile should be this and should be that, when the true definition of Agile is already a lot of what he is trying to say it ought to be. Nope. I won't even reply. Won't do it.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          :: Where's that +10 button? ::

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            I will not even reply to such a troll! I will not tell you how terribly stupid that article is. I refuse to be dragged into this discussion and tell you how confused he is that he says that Agile should be this and should be that, when the true definition of Agile is already a lot of what he is trying to say it ought to be. Nope. I won't even reply. Won't do it.

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            Kent Sharkey
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            I like that most of his suggestions, like "Just ship, then fix based on customer feedback" is pretty much what I understand Agile to be. (Ignoring the invocations of Agile)

            TTFN - Kent

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              :: Where's that +10 button? ::

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              newton saber
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              Thank you. It's good to see rational people agreeing with each other. :D

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              • K Kent Sharkey

                I like that most of his suggestions, like "Just ship, then fix based on customer feedback" is pretty much what I understand Agile to be. (Ignoring the invocations of Agile)

                TTFN - Kent

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                Nish Nishant
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                He just hates standing up in a conf room with 8 other people before he's had his 3rd morning coffee. Oh wait, that's me. :rolleyes:

                Regards, Nish


                Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                • K Kent Sharkey

                  The Register[^]:

                  Enough of the stand-up meetings please, just WRITE SOME CODE

                  "One of you... must do this."

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                  RaviBee
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                  Silliness. Like any tool, the agile development process needs to be used properly in order for it to be effective.  A vacuum cleaner is much better when it comes to removing dust than a spoon.  But please don't use it to stir your coffee. /ravi

                  My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                  • N Nish Nishant

                    He just hates standing up in a conf room with 8 other people before he's had his 3rd morning coffee. Oh wait, that's me. :rolleyes:

                    Regards, Nish


                    Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Nish Sivakumar wrote:

                    hates standing up in a conf room with 8 other people

                    Sure, but that's just Scrum, not all of Agile.

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                    • K Kent Sharkey

                      The Register[^]:

                      Enough of the stand-up meetings please, just WRITE SOME CODE

                      "One of you... must do this."

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                      Nemanja Trifunovic
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                      I actually agree, but Zed Shaw expresses the feeling much better than I can[^] (beware of NSFW language)

                      utf8-cpp

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        Nish Sivakumar wrote:

                        hates standing up in a conf room with 8 other people

                        Sure, but that's just Scrum, not all of Agile.

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                        Duncan Edwards Jones
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                        The problem with Scrum is that too often it can degenerate into a ruck, or a rolling maul...especially if the only intent is to keep the ball moving. (You must be English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh to understand this post )

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                        • K Kent Sharkey

                          The Register[^]:

                          Enough of the stand-up meetings please, just WRITE SOME CODE

                          "One of you... must do this."

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                          Master Man1980
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                          :laugh:

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                          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                            I actually agree, but Zed Shaw expresses the feeling much better than I can[^] (beware of NSFW language)

                            utf8-cpp

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                            Big Daddy Farang
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                            I think your link got censored.

                            BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK

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                            • B Big Daddy Farang

                              I think your link got censored.

                              BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK

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                              Nemanja Trifunovic
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                              Yep - gotta love buggy censorship software :doh:

                              utf8-cpp

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                              • B Big Daddy Farang

                                I think your link got censored.

                                BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK

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                                It's a fill in the blank URL :) There's six letters that have been blanked out. To complete the phrase "Mother******", I have tried: MotherTeresa, that didn't work. MotherNature, no. Motherof-all, no. MotherLode, is too short. There can't be that many. Someone will figure it out...

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                                • B Big Daddy Farang

                                  I think your link got censored.

                                  BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK

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                                  clbuttic

                                  Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                    clbuttic

                                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                    Big Daddy Farang
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                                    Good one.

                                    BDF The internet makes dumb people dumber and clever people cleverer. -- PaulowniaK

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