Hurray US Troops.
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Too bad all those poor kids are going out to risk their lives for Dubya's trumped-up, meaningless war. Wish I know what was going on, honest to Gawd. But this clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism. www.votetoimpeach.org
How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? I'd say it has a little bit to do with all of that. As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care.
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I just voted a 1 for lack of thinking. Everyone has their own little (or not so) agenda and to paint this as all so wonderful. Remember, the US sold the chemicals used to make the poison gas used against Iranian civilians. The tigress is here :-D
And let's not forget who funded Iraq to badger Iran years back...
"I was in a computer game. Funny as hell, it was the most horrible thing I could think of."
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I may agree that Iraq is suffering the terror imposed by Saddam, but now US has the same pill with George Bush. Martin Marvinski wrote: I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq This is at least ironic. Liberate Iraq, you should say invading Iraq instead. George Bush, Tony Blair and Aznar are just bastard assasins.
Yeah I'm afraid to open my door here, never know I might be dragged from my home in the middle of the night.....:rolleyes: Get a clue, PLEASE Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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I just voted a 1 for lack of thinking. Everyone has their own little (or not so) agenda and to paint this as all so wonderful. Remember, the US sold the chemicals used to make the poison gas used against Iranian civilians. The tigress is here :-D
I just voted a 1 for yah telling someone they weren't thinking just because they don't agree with your opinion Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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I may agree that Iraq is suffering the terror imposed by Saddam, but now US has the same pill with George Bush. Martin Marvinski wrote: I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq This is at least ironic. Liberate Iraq, you should say invading Iraq instead. George Bush, Tony Blair and Aznar are just bastard assasins.
OCid wrote: I may agree that Iraq is suffering the terror imposed by Saddam, but now US has the same pill with George Bush. :| Here you go again... :zzz: - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
In a world of constant change there is one constant that changeth not... Martin, you're an idiot! :) Rob Manderson http://www.mindprobes.net
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How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? I'd say it has a little bit to do with all of that. As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care.
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
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And let's not forget who funded Iraq to badger Iran years back...
"I was in a computer game. Funny as hell, it was the most horrible thing I could think of."
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How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? I'd say it has a little bit to do with all of that. As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care.
tidge, you've been around here long enough to know how some people think (or don't) :~ Think of it as trying to explain abstraction and polymorphism to a VB programmer. :rolleyes: - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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I'm not going to a pro-war no-war debate. Quite frankly its a little late to argue. I support the British troops out there, they are the teeth behind the politics. They may not agree with the war, but like it or lump it they are out there prepared to die for the leaders of our country's ideals. Because that is their JOB. When I saw the wide angle shot of a British battle unit, tanks and all, I did feel proud that they are out there, and frankly, whether or not they have WMD, the Iraqi army lacks the crucial element to its force. I can't put a name to it, maybe its skill/presence/determination, I don't know. But the tactical brilliance of the british, and american, armed forces on an individual level are a force to be rekoned with. They have my support and I am proud of them all. Martin Marvinski wrote: God Bless America Geez, you guys crack me up, theres patriotism and there is obsession.
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Web Designer, Programmer, Lover, Visionary Leader... Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]Jonny Newman wrote: the Iraqi army lacks the crucial element to its force. I can't put a name to it, maybe its skill/presence/determination, I don't know. Try faith, honor, trust, and pride towards their leadership. The only ones who will fight are the republican guard, for they are the only ones who have anything to lose. - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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And let's not forget who funded Iraq to badger Iran years back...
"I was in a computer game. Funny as hell, it was the most horrible thing I could think of."
I hate to break the news to you guys, but practically every major European nation and many Asian and nations also armed Iraq. Legend used in this list: A = nuclear program, B = bioweapons program, C = chemical weapons program, R = rocket program, K = conventional weapons, military logistics, supplies at the Iraqi Defense Ministry and the building of military plants. After the list of US firms are these remarks: "In addition to these 24 companies home-based in the USA are 50 subsidiaries of foreign enterprises which conducted their arms business with Iraq from within the US. Also designated as suppliers for Iraq's arms programs (A, B, C & R) are the US Ministries of Defense, Energy, Trade and Agriculture as well as the Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos and Sandia National Laboratories." (Anu's translation) US CORPORATIONS 1 Honeywell (R, K) 2 Spectra Physics (K) 3 Semetex (R) 4 TI Coating (A, K) 5 Unisys (A, K) 6 Sperry Corp. (R, K) 7 Tektronix (R, A) 8 Rockwell (K) 9 Leybold Vacuum Systems (A) 10 Finnigan-MAT-US (A) 11 Hewlett-Packard (A, R, K) 12 Dupont (A) 13 Eastman Kodak (R) 14 American Type Culture Collection (B) 15 Alcolac International (C) 16 Consarc (A) 17 Carl Zeiss - U.S (K) 18 Cerberus (LTD) (A) 19 Electronic Associates (R) 20 International Computer Systems (A, R, K) 21 Bechtel (K) 22 EZ Logic Data Systems, Inc. (R) 23 Canberra Industries Inc. (A) 24 Axel Electronics Inc. (A) Zusätzlich zu diesen 24 Firmen mit Stammsitz USA werden in dem irakischen Rüstungsbericht knapp 50 Tochterfirmen ausländischer Unternehmen aufgeführt, die ihre Rüstungskooperation mit dem Irak von den USA aus betrieben. Außerdem werden die Washingtoner Ministerien für Verteidigung, Energie, Handel und Landwirtschaft sowie die Atomwaffenlaboratorien Lawrence Livermore, Los Alamos und Sandia als Zulieferer für Iraks Rüstungsprogramme für A-, B- und C-Waffen sowie für Raketen benannt. CHINA 1 China Wanbao Engineering Company (A, C, K) 2 Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd (K) 3 China State Missile Company (R) FRANCE 1 Commissariat a lEnergie Atomique (A) 2 Sciaky (A) 3 Thomson CSF (A, K) 4 Aerospatiale and Matra Espace (R) 5 Cerbag (A) 6 Protec SA (C) 7 Thales Group (A) 8 Societé Général pour les Techniques Nouvelles (A) GREAT BRITAIN 1 Euromac Ltd-Uk (A) 2 C. Plat
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tidge, you've been around here long enough to know how some people think (or don't) :~ Think of it as trying to explain abstraction and polymorphism to a VB programmer. :rolleyes: - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? I'd say it has a little bit to do with all of that. As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care.
tidge wrote: How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? 1) because there are other countries out there whose people are far more oppressed than Iraq; North Korea, for starters; and several African countries, and 2)The terrorist connection is specious. The CIA says Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11; his payments to Palestinian suicide bomber's families is more a publicity stunt than anything. tidge wrote: As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. Securty council resolution violation scorecard Iraq: 18 Israel: ~47 tidge wrote: As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care. See, that's when I start wondering who to believe. We "knew" he was trying buy uranium from Nigeria; except that turned out to be a ploy by .. British intelligence, if I remember. We "knew" that Iraq was throwing babies out of incubators after invading Kuwait.. except that that, too, turns out to be a lie. And _this_ list - the list of lies and coverups involved in this whole Iraq affair - just goes on and on. So excuse me if I can't see any rational reason for this war.
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bryce wrote: which isnt a relevant issue today It's part of how we got here.
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bryce wrote: which isnt a relevant issue today In supporting Iraq in the 1980s, the US acted in what it perceived was its national interest. The US is doing the same now. Nothing has changed. The desire of the US to have an alliance with Turkey, which tortures and murders members of its Kurdish population shows how nothing has changed. John Carson
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bryce wrote: which isnt a relevant issue today It's part of how we got here.
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bryce wrote: which isnt a relevant issue today In supporting Iraq in the 1980s, the US acted in what it perceived was its national interest. The US is doing the same now. Nothing has changed. The desire of the US to have an alliance with Turkey, which tortures and murders members of its Kurdish population shows how nothing has changed. John Carson
Not to be frivelrous, but so what. Do those have a complaint of (communist) Viet-Nam stopping the genocide in Cambodia? Do they have a problem with the ending of the slaughter of Muslems in Siberia. If they were more consistant . . . Lenin's "useful idiot's" comes to mind. Bryce
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bryce wrote: which isnt a relevant issue today In supporting Iraq in the 1980s, the US acted in what it perceived was its national interest. The US is doing the same now. Nothing has changed. The desire of the US to have an alliance with Turkey, which tortures and murders members of its Kurdish population shows how nothing has changed. John Carson
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
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