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tidge wrote: How do you figure that it "clearly has nothing to do with liberating people or fighting terrorism"? 1) because there are other countries out there whose people are far more oppressed than Iraq; North Korea, for starters; and several African countries, and 2)The terrorist connection is specious. The CIA says Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11; his payments to Palestinian suicide bomber's families is more a publicity stunt than anything. tidge wrote: As well as a little something to do with the fact that Saddam doesn't give a rip about any security council declarations and does whatever he pleases. Securty council resolution violation scorecard Iraq: 18 Israel: ~47 tidge wrote: As far back as 1996 we knew that he had biological and chemical weapons as well as terrorist training camps in Iraq. Unfortunately the U.N. and the U.S. administration care. See, that's when I start wondering who to believe. We "knew" he was trying buy uranium from Nigeria; except that turned out to be a ploy by .. British intelligence, if I remember. We "knew" that Iraq was throwing babies out of incubators after invading Kuwait.. except that that, too, turns out to be a lie. And _this_ list - the list of lies and coverups involved in this whole Iraq affair - just goes on and on. So excuse me if I can't see any rational reason for this war.
I believe my own eyes. I worked in the military in logistics (1996) and we had picture proof of illegal weapons, and barrels of chemicals being brought into buildings that are used to make chemical weapons. Granted, there isn't anything showing that they actually made the chemical weapons, but when you try to track down ingredient chemicals, they don't have any records of them ever existing and refute the fact that they ever had them. I agree though, that the people of some other countries are suffering even more. Again, where is the U.N.?
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Christian, you are an idiot, officially the US/UN has NOT starved iraq at all, if iraq wanted food, medical supplies then these were freely available under the food for oil deal, and take a look at the leaders of the country and see how well they have faired by pillaging their own country. You are mistaking the evils of the leaders with the country itself. but i DO notice Christian, that iraq has been building the world's biggest mosque while the children's hospital not far away doesn't have enough supplies....and that iraq has been paying Turkey 1 million US a DAY to use their road to ship oil out via the northern route. You must have seen it christian, it was on 60 minues (or 20/20) a few sundays ago on Australian telly. Tell me Christian, how you can be happy that a regime that swore black and blue to not have weapons the UN had banned it from having (ranged missiles) is now using them against Kuwait? Will you post a retraction if /when the good guys find chemical/biological weapons during/after the war as they did after the last Gulf war? Bryce
[quote] You must have seen it christian, it was on 60 minues (or 20/20) a few sundays ago on Australian telly. [/quote] TV rots your brain. [quote] Tell me Christian, how you can be happy that a regime that swore black and blue to not have weapons the UN had banned it from having (ranged missiles) is now using them against Kuwait? [/quote] Don't be so bloody stupid. [quote] Will you post a retraction if /when the good guys find chemical/biological weapons during/after the war as they did after the last Gulf war? [/quote] No, because I don't doubt that they will. If they don't they will tell us they did. My point mainly is that the original poster is a moron, and the sanctions are and were wrong. I said I don't support Saddam, just that I don't like the way the US has handled things. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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except that they could not get chlorine to treat drinking water (because Saddam could make chemical weapons).. and many children died of cholera. Building a mosque is like US rebuilding World Trade Centre. I guess Saddam was trying to instill some Iraqi pride. For better or for worse, big structures have been associated with greatness of countries. What better structure than a mosque in an Arab country? Also about the chemical weapons; he did not use it last time when everyone knew he had it. He had managed to put Scuds in Israel then. Being the "evil maniac" he is, why did he not put a few biological and chemical agents in there? Or is he using chemical weapons just to play hide and seek. This time around, if he has saved a small part of what he had, we might see it in action when the "coalition of the willing" reaches Baghdad. Even at that point, I remain firm on my opinion that the war was not necessary - other means could have been found. Of course, Saddam was depleting in strength for the past 12 years; and would have continued to do so. The part about him searching for an opportunity to use chemical weapons seems a little too foolish. My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
Someone gave you a 1. I guess reality sucks for some people. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Christian Graus wrote: Congratulations, you're the stupidest person here. And you have some stiff competition. Not quite true yet. You are still here so that leaves me in , at best , second place. I guess we poor old uneductated, boorish Americans should go to Australia and see how its supposed to be done. Stupidity wise I mean. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
[quote] You are still here so that leaves me in , at best , second place. [/quote] Sorry, I did not realise I was talking to an 8 year old boy. No wonder you are so rude and clueless. I apologise, sonny. I was a kid once too, you'll get over it. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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bryce wrote: might i suggest you view the amnesty international website? I don't know if you had something specific in mind. I went to the website and found that the lead article was "Iraq: military action could trigger civilian and human rights catastrophe" Two stories below it was: "Turkey: End sexual torture against women in custody!" A little more digging found lots of articles on Turkish human rights violations. The following article from Human Rights Watch may be of interest: Turkey and the Kurds[^] Iraq probably is worse than Turkey. But Turkey is still shockingly bad. It is worth noting that the more than 1 million deaths that are blamed on Saddam Hussein mainly occurred during the period of the Iraq-Iran war when the US was backing Saddam Hussein. bryce wrote: Now we have established that the US does in fact have a better human rights record and that they do complain loudly when required, its also important to note that they do also work quietly when the situation calls for it, one deals with ones friends and helps them sort out their problems in a different manner to how one sorts out someone less than friendly. I find these claims bizarre. We have not established that "they do complain loudly when required". The US has no consistent record of defending human rights in foreign countries and there are plenty of examples of it lending its support in the opposite direction --- for example, Pol Pot and Iraq in the 80s, Turkey now. The fact that the US even has "friends" that torture and murder speaks volumes. John Carson
John Carson wrote: But Turkey is still shockingly bad. So is Saudi Arabia. I'd hate to think what they do to transsexuals over there - considering that transvesticism is punished by public beatings and homosexuality by beheading. :mad: Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears
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[quote] You are still here so that leaves me in , at best , second place. [/quote] Sorry, I did not realise I was talking to an 8 year old boy. No wonder you are so rude and clueless. I apologise, sonny. I was a kid once too, you'll get over it. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Christian Graus wrote: Sorry, I did not realise I was talking to an 8 year old boy You can do better than that can't you. Put that vaunted mind to work and come up with a decent insult. Something with class. OOPS forget the class part - I forgot whom I was dealing with. Christian Graus wrote: No wonder you are so rude and clueless Rude - maybe Clueless - not so. You are the clueless one - full of idealism and no idea what the real world is all about. Christian Graus wrote: I apologise, sonny Ok I accept but the names not Sonny Christian Graus wrote: I was a kid once too, you'll get over it. You still are and you haven't - got over it that is. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
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I just voted a 1 for yah telling someone they weren't thinking just because they don't agree with your opinion Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. 1 for you. ;)
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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I'm here to voice my support of the US troops doing the right thing in Iraq. You have my support and God Bless America. Go kick some booty, and liberate Iraq for the benefit of its poor citizens who have long suffered under Saddam. This should have been done long ago, but unfortunatly Clinton had no backbone and too many Monika problems. Thank God George Bush is taking us in the right and moral path. Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Tony Blair and John Howard, you are wonderful, and I thank you all for helping the US troops liberate Iraq.
Martin Marvinski wrote: Thank you Mr. Bush, and our allies the British and Aussies who are helping us with this effort. Well said!! In fact we are all so glad to be helping you we can't stop protesting about it all! From school children to old aged pension groups, from fanaticals to office workers and the guy next door, we just can't stop turning out in our hundreds of thousands and letting you know how much we appreciate bloodying our hands for you. Tonight I drove past a roadside candle vigel (sp) manned by about sixty people in the shaddow of a statue to our Edward the Peacemaker, all thanking you so much for your great service to mankind. :| Don't fall for the propaganda - heck, even fair proportions of the personnel representing my country in your little future-disaster-on-a-stick condem what they are being asked to do. The majority of the people in this country that support what you are doing today are the readership of The Sun or in the thirty five to forty five age group (don't ask me why :~), and they'd beleieve anything it was was printed across the breasts of some cheap Hollywood wannabe whore.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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John Carson wrote: But Turkey is still shockingly bad. So is Saudi Arabia. I'd hate to think what they do to transsexuals over there - considering that transvesticism is punished by public beatings and homosexuality by beheading. :mad: Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: So is Saudi Arabia. I'd hate to think what they do to transsexuals over there - considering that transvesticism is punished by public beatings and homosexuality by beheading. An extract from a Human Rights Watch Report: "Saudi courts continued to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and floggings for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness. The number of lashes was not clearly prescribed by law and varied according to the discretion of judges, and ranged from dozens of lashes to several thousand, usually applied over a period of weeks or months. A court in Qunfuda sentenced nine Saudi alleged transvestites in April. Five drew prison terms of six years and 2,600 lashes, and the other four were sentenced to five years and 2,400 lashes. The floggings reportedly were to be carried out in fifty equal sessions, with a fifteen-day hiatus between each punishment. In August, the daily Okaz reported that a court had ordered the surgical removal of the left eye of an Egyptian, Abd al-Muti Abdel Rahman Muhamed, after he was convicted of throwing acid in the face of another Egyptian, injuring and disfiguring his left eye. The operation was performed in a hospital in Medina. In addition to this punishment, Abdel Rahman was reportedly fined U.S. $68,800 and sentenced to an undisclosed prison term." "The inherent cruelty of such sentences was heightened by due process concerns about the fairness of legal and administrative procedures. Under the 1983 Principles of Arrest, Temporary Confinement, and Preventative Regulations, detainees had no right to judicial review, no right to legal counsel, and could be held in prolonged detention pending a decision by the regional governor or the minister of interior. Suspects had no right to examine witnesses, or to call witnesses of their own, and uncorroborated confessions could constitute the basis for conviction and sentencing." The full report[^] John Carson
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Christian Graus wrote: Sorry, I did not realise I was talking to an 8 year old boy You can do better than that can't you. Put that vaunted mind to work and come up with a decent insult. Something with class. OOPS forget the class part - I forgot whom I was dealing with. Christian Graus wrote: No wonder you are so rude and clueless Rude - maybe Clueless - not so. You are the clueless one - full of idealism and no idea what the real world is all about. Christian Graus wrote: I apologise, sonny Ok I accept but the names not Sonny Christian Graus wrote: I was a kid once too, you'll get over it. You still are and you haven't - got over it that is. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles
[quote] Put that vaunted mind to work and come up with a decent insult. [/quote] You mean like you did ? You're an idiot, pure and simple. Now go away. Don't reply, sonny. I won't respond, it's beneath me. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
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Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: So is Saudi Arabia. I'd hate to think what they do to transsexuals over there - considering that transvesticism is punished by public beatings and homosexuality by beheading. An extract from a Human Rights Watch Report: "Saudi courts continued to impose corporal punishment, including amputations of hands and feet for robbery, and floggings for lesser crimes such as "sexual deviance" and drunkenness. The number of lashes was not clearly prescribed by law and varied according to the discretion of judges, and ranged from dozens of lashes to several thousand, usually applied over a period of weeks or months. A court in Qunfuda sentenced nine Saudi alleged transvestites in April. Five drew prison terms of six years and 2,600 lashes, and the other four were sentenced to five years and 2,400 lashes. The floggings reportedly were to be carried out in fifty equal sessions, with a fifteen-day hiatus between each punishment. In August, the daily Okaz reported that a court had ordered the surgical removal of the left eye of an Egyptian, Abd al-Muti Abdel Rahman Muhamed, after he was convicted of throwing acid in the face of another Egyptian, injuring and disfiguring his left eye. The operation was performed in a hospital in Medina. In addition to this punishment, Abdel Rahman was reportedly fined U.S. $68,800 and sentenced to an undisclosed prison term." "The inherent cruelty of such sentences was heightened by due process concerns about the fairness of legal and administrative procedures. Under the 1983 Principles of Arrest, Temporary Confinement, and Preventative Regulations, detainees had no right to judicial review, no right to legal counsel, and could be held in prolonged detention pending a decision by the regional governor or the minister of interior. Suspects had no right to examine witnesses, or to call witnesses of their own, and uncorroborated confessions could constitute the basis for conviction and sentencing." The full report[^] John Carson
I read about the way those 9 were treated last week, and it's disgusting. I just hope the world - and in particular the US - will start to take some notice of the things that are happening out there. This report here[^] suggests that the Saudi government is getting a little more publicity than they'd like - which is a good sign I think. A very good friend of mine is about to start her transition, but as she mostly works with clients in the Middle East, she's very aware that once she does the chances are they'll refuse to deal with her. Worse still, her safety could be at risk by even going out there. The Middle East has a long way to go before it's ready to rejoin civilisation. :( Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears
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