new graphics card NVIDIA GTX750OC is not working... advice?
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Yeah - not nice... Do you have the opportunity to borrow a PSU with 400W? You may check it with that... Jochen Arndt may be all right that the problem is at the power-on state, when all moving parts are spinning at top speed...
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I won't be able to borrow it from anywhere, but it looks like someone has posted a video explaining the steps to get it working so I'll get the PSU, and make the testing, let's hope it will work.
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Why not ??? The card draws the supply it needs, the more available, the better, but you cannot fry a motherboard because of a stronger power supply...
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That's what I thought... I've checked it with our electrical department and those sparkies have ensured me that unless I make strange things with the cables no issues should happen installing a bigger PSU...
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Hello again, Joan. I just looked at the nVidia site and didn't see a product with the exact nomenclature you mentioned. The ones I see are GTX 570 and GTX 750 Ti. I get "Page Not Found" for the Ti version. You should check the amperage for each voltage on the power supply and not just total combined power. The installation manual for the video card might say something like +5V @22A. If the current power supply only delivers +5V @10A, then there is a 12A shortfall and the card will most likely not work with that power supply. Regards, Rick
Interesting and important detail, I'll have to check it before getting a new PSU to ensure this won't be another issue. Thank you! :thumbsup:
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Yes, but it is not just the PSU wattage you need to look at, you need to make sure the various power rails supply the amperage required. I had a similar problem a few years back, and although the PSU was technically sufficient, there were a number of 12 v rails and they weren't rated to supply the juice to the gpu plugs.
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How nice it was X| I'm almost sure it should work as I've seen somebody with the same problem for a GTX750TI card which is a little bit better than my inlaw's one mounted in the same computer than my inlaw's... I truly hope this will do it. Crossing fingers here... Thank you Dave! :thumbsup:
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As I read the first sentences of your issue I thought immediately that it was the power supply. I've experienced this same issue with 300W and needing more powerful one. Same thing fans seem to turn, lights up but nothing from computer. I believe that really is the issue. Good luck.
This is what it looks like... let's see what will happen after this weekend...
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Don't know if anybody has said this, but it might be the graphics drivers from the old card?...try booting in safe mode by multiple pressing the F8 key while the computer boots, you should see a Dos style menu come up that will let you choose Safe Mode (choose no graphics drivers if it gives you the option). If you can get in safe mode, un-install the old graphics drivers and reboot back to normal mode, then install your new graphics drivers and software for the new card. Not 100% sure that's what it is but if you have tried all the hardware things, it might be it.
This is not the current reason as the computer is not passing the BIOS POST screen... Probably this is what will happen after the HW issues will be solved... X|
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If there are components that you can unplug to temporarily lower the power draw, then try that. Additional hard drives, DVD-ROM etc. If that works then you will know that the PSU isn't beefy enough and you need another one.
If there were lots of things there I would test it but only disconnecting the DVD probably won't make any difference... X| Anyway I'll make some testing before getting the new PSU.
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Ok those are my ideas: - Can you try this card in another PC, it could be a damage Video Card. - I smell that you can have a compatibility issue, try to check if you main board chip-sets are compatible with this Video Card. Not sure how old is the main boards, it could be just a setting in the Bios. (do it before plugging the Video Card) - Try the 400Watts +, maybe that is all you need.
Hi! I won't be able to test the card in any other computer, and it looks like there is a compatibility issue between the motherboard and the card itself plus not enough Watts from the PSU... so I'll have to change the PSU and then do some tricks I've seen in a youtube video where they explain how to make it work with his motherboard... X| X| X| Thank you for your post!
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Simple Advice: NEVER help friends or family with their computers! :-))) Honestly, it sounds like putting a new Power Supply in there will work fine. The Wattage is the maximum output, not the amount of power FORCED into the system. It will simply let the video card draw the extra power it needs. ($30-$60.00) Considering your time and what the adapter costs. The power supply is probably the fastest simplest way to wrap this up. I jumped into this thread because after Microsofts Update, a few programs started misbehaving and I had to install 7 different versions of my AMD RADEON driver to find a stable one... I was thinking I was not alone... LOL
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WHY, OH WHY YOU DID NOT TOLD THAT TO ME TWO WEEKS BEFORE?!?!?!?! :laugh: Yes, you are right! :laugh: Something as easy as that becomes a big problem... I can't imagine how someone without any kind of experience with computers can get this kind of things working... X| After the last Windows Update my NVIDIA card here in my office workstation is blinking every time I log in the OS... X|
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Joan Murt wrote:
Do you think changing the power supply will do it?
Probably. Its likely drawing so much current at some voltage that its drooping too low. If it has a connector for the power supply to directly connect to it, you'll want to connect that too -- sometimes the traces on the motherboard just can't supply the kind of current a graphics card needs. Even if you can get the card to work with his current power supply, you probably want to upgrade it. When he pushes the thing really hard, it could draw enough to cause the system to be unstable. FYI, a graphic card's power supply specs are not because it needs that much power itself, its usually because PSUs of that class have sufficient amperage at some needed voltage. That's too fiddly to be worth the trouble, but if you know how to check it, its worth doing -- not all PSUs of a given wattage class have the same voltage/current capacities.
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Yes, after reading a lot of posts here I've become aware of how the PSU's work +/-. Thank you for your recommendations! :thumbsup:
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Gaming computers usually start at 700-800 Watt Bronze. http://www.newegg.com/Power-Supplies/Category/ID-32[^]
Probably I won't need that amount of Watts, but let's see what we can find at the shop this weekend. Thank you!
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THE...PROBLEM...IS...THE...PSU. REPLACE...IT. PERIOD. END...THIS...PAINFUL...THREAD.
As far as I've seen, the PSU is one of the problems. It looks like the GPU needs at least 400W and the current PSU has only 300W. This is clear. Now, after some nice posts of other :bob: members I've known that there are other details that are important regarding the PSU capabilities which I'll double check at the shop this weekend. But, there's always one but, this is 100% sure not the only problem. After receiving some answers, I've seen that the motherboard installed in that computer has strange compatibility problems and that I'll be forced to update the BIOS from 7.13 to 7.16A which is the latest version from 2012 and even after doing that I'll have to make some extra steps to make it work. Now, I'm curious: why you are shouting? why this was a painful thread? :confused: This community is great to get help and again it has proven that it works wonderfully well to provide it...
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It's been a while since I have done a lot of work with graphics cards (and I don't have time to read all the posts, maybe this was already suggested.) Have you tried putting the old graphics card in, firing up windows, and switching to the generic VGA driver (can you still do that with newer versions of Windows?) and then putting the new card in? Wayne
Nope, this will be the second set of problems (software ones) now the computer is not capable to go after the BIOS POST screen, therefore the OS drivers are still not the issue... Thank you!
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This may help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBTSlBW2oc[^] This guy has the same problem as you and he's got a 600w PSU. It seems to me to be an incompatibility between the HP bios and the nvdia card.
Yes Paul! You are the second one to post the same video here and it looks like there's an incompatibility issue here... I'll test it and see what would happen if I would select the PXE network boot in the BIOS settings as the default option, if that mitigates a little bit the issue and my inlaw is happy I'll be happy too, if he is not happy then it will be time to get another motherboard and some thermal paste for the processor... X| Thank you for posting! :thumbsup:
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Yes Paul! You are the second one to post the same video here and it looks like there's an incompatibility issue here... I'll test it and see what would happen if I would select the PXE network boot in the BIOS settings as the default option, if that mitigates a little bit the issue and my inlaw is happy I'll be happy too, if he is not happy then it will be time to get another motherboard and some thermal paste for the processor... X| Thank you for posting! :thumbsup:
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No problem. I've had similar issues on an older HP mobo and nvidia card. One particular machine ground to a near halt after adding an nvidia GT8800 card. On the post screen you could watch it take a second or two to draw each individual character. Boot time was something like 30 minutes!!
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If there were lots of things there I would test it but only disconnecting the DVD probably won't make any difference... X| Anyway I'll make some testing before getting the new PSU.
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No problem. I've had similar issues on an older HP mobo and nvidia card. One particular machine ground to a near halt after adding an nvidia GT8800 card. On the post screen you could watch it take a second or two to draw each individual character. Boot time was something like 30 minutes!!
NIIIIIIIICE! I understand it is difficult to keep everything updated, but... this kind of things are terrible. X|
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I also have 2 SSDs plus a normal drive, 32Gb RAM, and several more USB devices, not sure how much difference any of that makes. One day when my current 8Gb VRAM is no longer enough I can plug another 2 graphics cards in. The problem then will be that they will run at 8x, while I'm currently running at 16x. That's probably a question for next year though.
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I also have 2 SSDs plus a normal drive, 32Gb RAM, and several more USB devices, not sure how much difference any of that makes.
Not much. Mainstream processors are ~90W, top end ones ~130W; the 200W everything else figure I used covered a lot of stuff plugged into the mobo. As for more GPUs; dropping from 16x to 8x won't matter for anything graphics related or for most compute tasks; the exception being if you're doing a lot of CPU-GPU IO instead of handing off large independent blocks of computation and waiting for the results back. However, regardless of what you're using it for buying two more 760s next year would be a waste. SLI/xFire both scale much worse above 2 cards; to the extent that a few years ago I saw some tests showing that 4 cards wasn't meaningfully faster than 3 in most games and actually was slightly slower in a few. 2 cards to 3 still gave a decentish bump but it wasn't close to the 50% theoretical gain; generally for the same money 2 faster cards would beat 3 slower ones; making 3way setups only worthwhile when you'd already gone to the top normal single GPU cards (eg 780 but not Titan). For compute, it'd still be a poor buy because GPU performance scales with moore's law, and two new cards would outperform 4 old ones while using a lot less power even if you could find another two 760s; which by then you probably won't. Used cards run the risk that it's people who run their cards the hardest that are most likely to sell; and from personal experience 2-3years of 24/7 GPU compute will kill a lot of cards.
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