A discussion On What Constitutes Abuse And What Should Be Done About It
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How's that for a catchy title? CodeProject is for software developers to discuss software development and their lives as software developers. We all have a broad range of interests, but the focus is on software and we have very deliberately asked the community to keep the discussions vaguely technology related with the emphasis on being respectful and inclusive. Discussions that are controversial or where a more open, direct, glove-off conversation is needed (or wanted) go in the Soapbox. Everyone has the right to free speech. Everyone has the responsibility to respect the site and the community. If you have an axe to grind then take it elsewhere. There are a million sites more suited to political or religious (for example) debates, or at worst start your own blog. That's your right. If you do want to discuss politics or religion (or whatever) then discuss it in the right place, be respectful, and keep those discussions in the forums best suited. That's your responsibility. The specific issue I'd like to address is Munchies_Matt's signature. It's statement and a link to an online petition that is clearly political, religious and divisive. It's there purely for attention, and I'm sure he's wriggling with joy that we're discussing him. That's the only purpose of the sig: to stir up a fight. The reaction has been varied. The signature breaches the rules of the Lounge and can be interpreted to breach the site's Terms of Service and I've asked him to remove the signature. Other reactions have ranged from pointing out that the sig should be changed to wholesale closing of all messages by the user. I, personally, aren't interested in a person who just wants to increase my workload without giving back anything to the software developer world. There are way too many extremely talented, generous and generally wonderful human beings contributing day in and day out who I need to give my time to. However, before I do anything I wanted hear from the community. Society evolves, as do we, so let's hear from you as to how we as a community should approach a situation like this.
cheers Chris Maunder
Just kick him man. Just just kick him. Such a attitude should be severely dealt with. Even he has removed his signature, the current one points to the image that is also objectionable.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
intent is to go against the posting guidelines. It's abusing the site and the community
You are wrong Chris.
Ignore this, it has nothing to do with Israel and its borders.
I condemn your reaction that you are not even ready to listen to Admins. I think you are the first to ignore the advise from them and have such an attitude. So called 'freedom of speech' has nothing to do with this discussion or the issue we are discussing on. What do you mean by your current signature? All i want to say is, you should be ready to face the consequences in form of account cancellation.
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Just kick him man. Just just kick him. Such a attitude should be severely dealt with. Even he has removed his signature, the current one points to the image that is also objectionable.
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Your current signature-link (as in this post) is your doing, or someone hacked in?
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NO, but you're putting your political message, regardless of how passively you present it, into every single post, even if it is not an appropriate forum for such statements. Oh, and changing your sig to a picture that is CLEARLY meant for Chris is not going to win you any friends here.
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Dave KreskowiakIts NOT meant for Chris! Its meant for whoever the faceless one voters are. :) (actualy I thought it amusing, but perhaps only the English understand the English sense of humour. :) )
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I disagree. If swear words are allowed then so should this picture be allowed. Words are just pictures in textual form.
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Its my doing, do you like it? I thought it humourous. :)
In fact and in contrast to your previous sign (which I didn't found abusive) this one I found abusive...And forgive me, but also a bit childish...Sorry to say, but it is much more possible that the new sign will cause a ban on you much faster than the old...
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Does this mean then that every post that mentions politics, sex, or religion should be flagged and reported in here from now on? Or is it just the politics, sex, and religion that some disagree with that? Cos there is plenty that gets brought up in the lounge, plenty that just gets ignored, plenty that leads to interesting, adult discussions. I do not believe that anyone reported the signature in question for flouting the rules, they did so because they object to the anti Isreal sentiment of it. There was an article in the UK recently about how public figures that stand up against Isreal have an unfortunate habit of turning up dead. I myself had a link to a political petition, albeit a local one, in my sig for quite some time. There was no objection or reporting of that that I am aware of.
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And thank you for your honesty and stating what is obviously true. It isn't politics, its the anti Israel right wing sentiment that objectionable, and clearly the attempt to repress it is the most blatant form of bias and mob censoring.
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In fact and in contrast to your previous sign (which I didn't found abusive) this one I found abusive...And forgive me, but also a bit childish...Sorry to say, but it is much more possible that the new sign will cause a ban on you much faster than the old...
Well, as someone pointed out, swear words are legal in sigs, and this is merely a pictorial representation. Anyway, its meant to be funny. Hopefully you understand that, no? :)
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objectionable
:laugh: I actually found the new link offensive. Now where is that "shrug" emoticon :)
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Just kick him man. Just just kick him. Such a attitude should be severely dealt with. Even he has removed his signature, the current one points to the image that is also objectionable.
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Such a attitude should be severely dealt with.
Good job you weren't around to see CP in the old days then.
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How's that for a catchy title? CodeProject is for software developers to discuss software development and their lives as software developers. We all have a broad range of interests, but the focus is on software and we have very deliberately asked the community to keep the discussions vaguely technology related with the emphasis on being respectful and inclusive. Discussions that are controversial or where a more open, direct, glove-off conversation is needed (or wanted) go in the Soapbox. Everyone has the right to free speech. Everyone has the responsibility to respect the site and the community. If you have an axe to grind then take it elsewhere. There are a million sites more suited to political or religious (for example) debates, or at worst start your own blog. That's your right. If you do want to discuss politics or religion (or whatever) then discuss it in the right place, be respectful, and keep those discussions in the forums best suited. That's your responsibility. The specific issue I'd like to address is Munchies_Matt's signature. It's statement and a link to an online petition that is clearly political, religious and divisive. It's there purely for attention, and I'm sure he's wriggling with joy that we're discussing him. That's the only purpose of the sig: to stir up a fight. The reaction has been varied. The signature breaches the rules of the Lounge and can be interpreted to breach the site's Terms of Service and I've asked him to remove the signature. Other reactions have ranged from pointing out that the sig should be changed to wholesale closing of all messages by the user. I, personally, aren't interested in a person who just wants to increase my workload without giving back anything to the software developer world. There are way too many extremely talented, generous and generally wonderful human beings contributing day in and day out who I need to give my time to. However, before I do anything I wanted hear from the community. Society evolves, as do we, so let's hear from you as to how we as a community should approach a situation like this.
cheers Chris Maunder
I trust that if the "compassionately common sense" view of many CodeProject Members, and CodeProject staff, is that any statement is an egregious violation of the pro-social norms of the context in which it is placed: the content should be removed, and the poster warned it is inappropriate. If the poster continues to post the same kind of content, then I think the poster should be banned. I am much more concerned about the daily abuse I witness on QA, than I am about what goes down in the Lounge.
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In fact and in contrast to your previous sign (which I didn't found abusive) this one I found abusive...And forgive me, but also a bit childish...Sorry to say, but it is much more possible that the new sign will cause a ban on you much faster than the old...
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Well, as someone pointed out, swear words are legal in sigs, and this is merely a pictorial representation. Anyway, its meant to be funny. Hopefully you understand that, no? :)
It isn't the words that matters, but the purpose of them. Your old sig wasn't offensive, your new one was. Especially as the address was a bit unclear if you haven't followed the whole mess. Good thing you removed it.
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Well, as someone pointed out, swear words are legal in sigs, and this is merely a pictorial representation. Anyway, its meant to be funny. Hopefully you understand that, no? :)
No problem...
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I trust that if the "compassionately common sense" view of many CodeProject Members, and CodeProject staff, is that any statement is an egregious violation of the pro-social norms of the context in which it is placed: the content should be removed, and the poster warned it is inappropriate. If the poster continues to post the same kind of content, then I think the poster should be banned. I am much more concerned about the daily abuse I witness on QA, than I am about what goes down in the Lounge.
BillWoodruff wrote:
I am much more concerned about the daily abuse I witness on QA, than I am about what goes down in the Lounge.
Now, that is certainly something I agree with.
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Is this one better?
A bit flat, but I can't see how one can find THAT abusive! :-D
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Its supposed to be funny, seeing it is aimed at the univoters. :)
I did get that ... which is why I didn't report it and shrugged off the (only slightly) offensive nature of the image :) It actually made me laugh out loud at the implied message to the univoters :-D And at the end of the day ... it was my own choice to follow the link!
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Is this one better?
I hope you realize that no signatures displayed now... ;)
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Rohan Leuva wrote:
Such a attitude should be severely dealt with.
Good job you weren't around to see CP in the old days then.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
you weren't around to see CP in the old days then.
So you still believe that something that was considered valid in past days should also be considered valid these days? Why? You or me not there to decide what is right and wrong. Its community. Community always runs on majority concensus. Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place, respects the community and as a result,this thread has been started.Further, i don't know why you have problem having decent sign? Why not a single effort to win all's heart and ofcourse make Admins happy? Try it and there are still chance that you will be able to see the beauty of CP.
