A discussion On What Constitutes Abuse And What Should Be Done About It
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Its supposed to be funny, seeing it is aimed at the univoters. :)
I did get that ... which is why I didn't report it and shrugged off the (only slightly) offensive nature of the image :) It actually made me laugh out loud at the implied message to the univoters :-D And at the end of the day ... it was my own choice to follow the link!
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Is this one better?
A bit flat, but I can't see how one can find THAT abusive! :-D
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I trust that if the "compassionately common sense" view of many CodeProject Members, and CodeProject staff, is that any statement is an egregious violation of the pro-social norms of the context in which it is placed: the content should be removed, and the poster warned it is inappropriate. If the poster continues to post the same kind of content, then I think the poster should be banned. I am much more concerned about the daily abuse I witness on QA, than I am about what goes down in the Lounge.
BillWoodruff wrote:
I am much more concerned about the daily abuse I witness on QA, than I am about what goes down in the Lounge.
Now, that is certainly something I agree with.
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Is this one better?
I hope you realize that no signatures displayed now... ;)
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Rohan Leuva wrote:
Such a attitude should be severely dealt with.
Good job you weren't around to see CP in the old days then.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
you weren't around to see CP in the old days then.
So you still believe that something that was considered valid in past days should also be considered valid these days? Why? You or me not there to decide what is right and wrong. Its community. Community always runs on majority concensus. Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place, respects the community and as a result,this thread has been started.Further, i don't know why you have problem having decent sign? Why not a single effort to win all's heart and ofcourse make Admins happy? Try it and there are still chance that you will be able to see the beauty of CP.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I would still like to ask if the rules are supposed to be strictly implemented or are they rather more intended to be a guideline
The only rule I ask everyone to stick to diligently is the rule of common sense. It's usually obvious when someone is just mentioning something without intent to make a big deal about it and when someone is just looking for attention and stirring the pot just for the sake of it.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
As a followup question, are we really supposed to report every message that doesn't follow the rules as we interpret them, or would you prefer that we just tell people to bring it to the soapbox instead and bring out the heavy artillery for repeat offenders that simply don't care
That's pretty much how it works now, and it seems to work well.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
And should it really be enough to kill a post if just one person decides that they feel offended whether real or imagined
That's the tricky bit. Yes if it's a spammer. No if it's a person venting frustration. If only I could write code that could tell the two apart (though our spam blocker is getting better and better)
cheers Chris Maunder
The problem with common sense is that it isn't that common. It's mostly culturally determined.
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I did get that ... which is why I didn't report it and shrugged off the (only slightly) offensive nature of the image :) It actually made me laugh out loud at the implied message to the univoters :-D And at the end of the day ... it was my own choice to follow the link!
At least someone sees the humour! :)
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I hope you realize that no signatures displayed now... ;)
It seems as if we have all lost our signatures. :confused: Has Chris done a blanket ban on them despite the overwhelming support for my sig in this thread? Seems so.
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It seems as if we have all lost our signatures. :confused: Has Chris done a blanket ban on them despite the overwhelming support for my sig in this thread? Seems so.
He maybe wanted a silent night ;)
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
you weren't around to see CP in the old days then.
So you still believe that something that was considered valid in past days should also be considered valid these days? Why? You or me not there to decide what is right and wrong. Its community. Community always runs on majority concensus. Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place, respects the community and as a result,this thread has been started.Further, i don't know why you have problem having decent sign? Why not a single effort to win all's heart and ofcourse make Admins happy? Try it and there are still chance that you will be able to see the beauty of CP.
I was just saying that in the old days CP was much rowdier than it is today, and that if you found my sig so shocking then if yo9u were here in 2006/2007 you would have been mortified!
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Community always runs on majority concensus
And the majority concenss is that my sig is perfectly valid thus you have to go along with that. :)
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place
He is, but also has to follow the rules of the members, because without members, there is no CP.
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Why not a single effort to win all's heart
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging the system, pushing boundaries, upsetting apple carts. Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are, ok? :)
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I was just saying that in the old days CP was much rowdier than it is today, and that if you found my sig so shocking then if yo9u were here in 2006/2007 you would have been mortified!
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Community always runs on majority concensus
And the majority concenss is that my sig is perfectly valid thus you have to go along with that. :)
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place
He is, but also has to follow the rules of the members, because without members, there is no CP.
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Why not a single effort to win all's heart
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging the system, pushing boundaries, upsetting apple carts. Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are, ok? :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
We are interested in challenging the system
Don't try this on Codeproject.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are
You should better be at home than a CP and keep your generation with you. Push boundaries at home.
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I was just saying that in the old days CP was much rowdier than it is today, and that if you found my sig so shocking then if yo9u were here in 2006/2007 you would have been mortified!
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Community always runs on majority concensus
And the majority concenss is that my sig is perfectly valid thus you have to go along with that. :)
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place
He is, but also has to follow the rules of the members, because without members, there is no CP.
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Why not a single effort to win all's heart
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging the system, pushing boundaries, upsetting apple carts. Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are, ok? :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging
Congratulations. You succeeded. Sigs are turned off.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging
Congratulations. You succeeded. Sigs are turned off.
What did I succeed at? I didn't intend for sigs to be disabled, just for CP to maintain its lively character. Chris asked the community what it thought and it said my sig was OK. Clearly Chris is planning something for sigs, perhaps enabling them only in SB and BR, perhaps something else. Perhaps he wants to punish the community for not agreeing with him and has thus turned them off completely. Don't know, what do you think?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
We are interested in challenging the system
Don't try this on Codeproject.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are
You should better be at home than a CP and keep your generation with you. Push boundaries at home.
We got rid of disco didn't we? :) (and prog rock).
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I was just saying that in the old days CP was much rowdier than it is today, and that if you found my sig so shocking then if yo9u were here in 2006/2007 you would have been mortified!
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Community always runs on majority concensus
And the majority concenss is that my sig is perfectly valid thus you have to go along with that. :)
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place
He is, but also has to follow the rules of the members, because without members, there is no CP.
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Why not a single effort to win all's heart
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging the system, pushing boundaries, upsetting apple carts. Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are, ok? :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
... in the old days ... 2006/2007 ...
Great, now I really feel old! :rolleyes:
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
... in the old days ... 2006/2007 ...
Great, now I really feel old! :rolleyes:
Indeed, tempus fugit. They were good days though, the original SB, it was a fun place.
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What did I succeed at? I didn't intend for sigs to be disabled, just for CP to maintain its lively character. Chris asked the community what it thought and it said my sig was OK. Clearly Chris is planning something for sigs, perhaps enabling them only in SB and BR, perhaps something else. Perhaps he wants to punish the community for not agreeing with him and has thus turned them off completely. Don't know, what do you think?
You succeeded in "not winning hearts" and "challenging the system". Chris asked you to remove your sig. You changed it much later and we now have a lot of posts and threads. What I think: At the beginning I sympathised with you because I did not accepted the message deletions. But you still do not understand that a community requires backing down sometimes.
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I'm not even sure why this is being discussed so much. In fact, almost all of the discussion is on whether it is offensive or not. That is not the point, as I see it. In fact I see it very black and white. The Lounge rules state no politics and the sig clearly had a political message in it. Case closed. It violates the lounge rules. Now, do I personally care enough to mark it abusive, no. But it is against the rules so if anyone marks it abusive, then they are correct. I say leave it all as is.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
So everything that anyone decides to perceive as breaking the rules should be voted as abuse? Right. Might as well quit the site today, because it'll turn into an unbearable rat-hole within a couple of months. Or did you mean that it's only the things that you decide to perceive as breaking the rules should be voted as abuse? If so, I'll quit the site right this minute, because it'll turn into an unbearable rat-hole within a couple of weeks. "Playing nicely with the other children" does not include the statement "I'll decide what's right and wrong!"
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I was just saying that in the old days CP was much rowdier than it is today, and that if you found my sig so shocking then if yo9u were here in 2006/2007 you would have been mortified!
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Community always runs on majority concensus
And the majority concenss is that my sig is perfectly valid thus you have to go along with that. :)
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Chris,even if he is Admin and owner of this place
He is, but also has to follow the rules of the members, because without members, there is no CP.
Rohan Leuva wrote:
Why not a single effort to win all's heart
Because some people, like me, aren't interested in 'winning hearts'. We are interested in challenging the system, pushing boundaries, upsetting apple carts. Its my generation, the generation that gave the world the sex pistols and punk rock. Its just the way we are, ok? :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I was just saying that in the old days CP was much rowdier than it is today, and that if you found my sig so shocking then if yo9u were here in 2006/2007 you would have been mortified!
Yes, and CP survived and thrived, just as other groups always survive and thrive through such things. For many members, a little antagonism and controversy between members is the making of the group. I have yet to witness a group survive an attack of "the Blue Meanies", though. Such collapses always start with a minor group forcing their wishes on other members of the group by abusing one small rule, and end with... Well, they end with everyone of value upping pegs and moving on. Here, we have religious factions taking the Blue Meanie role. You'd think the world had had enough of religions trying to force their ways on everyone.
