"Children just aren't going to know what snow is"
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
"Weather" != "Climate". :doh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBdxDFpDp_k[^] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlHaGhYoF0[^]
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Look at the morons CV
What is it they say about people in glass houses?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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"Weather" != "Climate". :doh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBdxDFpDp_k[^] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQlHaGhYoF0[^]
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Look at the morons CV
What is it they say about people in glass houses?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Weather" != "Climate
That's the biggest crock of shit I ever heard and is a typical get out when GW advocates try to dismiss weather that runs counter to their corrupt theory. Of course climate is weather. DO you really think an equatorial desert climate can have weather that's cold and stormy the whole time and remain a desert? Climate is just weather over time, and when you get enough of a cetin kind of weather, you get a certain climate. Period. I see you went to the same school of logic as Dr David Viner!
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Richard Deeming wrote:
Weather" != "Climate
That's the biggest crock of shit I ever heard and is a typical get out when GW advocates try to dismiss weather that runs counter to their corrupt theory. Of course climate is weather. DO you really think an equatorial desert climate can have weather that's cold and stormy the whole time and remain a desert? Climate is just weather over time, and when you get enough of a cetin kind of weather, you get a certain climate. Period. I see you went to the same school of logic as Dr David Viner!
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Of course climate is weather.
No, it isn't. Watch the videos and try to understand the difference. Climate is a long-term, global trend. Weather is a short-term, local effect. Saying "climate change isn't real because it's a bit cold today" is like saying "it's not my birthday today, so therefore I'm not getting any older". The short-term effect of it not being your birthday right now doesn't make you immortal. Similarly, the short-term effect of it being a bit cold today doesn't mean that the average temperature isn't rising.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
DO you really think a desert climate can have weather that's cold and story the whole time and remain a desert?
Antarctica is a dessert. Last time I checked, it's also quite cold.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Of course climate is weather.
No, it isn't. Watch the videos and try to understand the difference. Climate is a long-term, global trend. Weather is a short-term, local effect. Saying "climate change isn't real because it's a bit cold today" is like saying "it's not my birthday today, so therefore I'm not getting any older". The short-term effect of it not being your birthday right now doesn't make you immortal. Similarly, the short-term effect of it being a bit cold today doesn't mean that the average temperature isn't rising.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
DO you really think a desert climate can have weather that's cold and story the whole time and remain a desert?
Antarctica is a dessert. Last time I checked, it's also quite cold.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
:thumbsup:
veni bibi saltavi
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Of course climate is weather.
No, it isn't. Watch the videos and try to understand the difference. Climate is a long-term, global trend. Weather is a short-term, local effect. Saying "climate change isn't real because it's a bit cold today" is like saying "it's not my birthday today, so therefore I'm not getting any older". The short-term effect of it not being your birthday right now doesn't make you immortal. Similarly, the short-term effect of it being a bit cold today doesn't mean that the average temperature isn't rising.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
DO you really think a desert climate can have weather that's cold and story the whole time and remain a desert?
Antarctica is a dessert. Last time I checked, it's also quite cold.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Climate is a ... global trend
So the entire globe has the same climate? :) And as for using Armstrong and Miller as a scientific source. I can see why you think what you do. Where did you learn the rest of it, the Guardian? :laugh: :laugh: So, you mention time, lets take a look: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11278346/First-winter-snow-of-2014-hits-England.html "First winter snow of 2014 hits England" 2013: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=snow+in+britain+2013&biw=1461&bih=706&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=rynSVIf3KYu07QbKxoGYDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ[^] 2012: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=snow+in+britain+2012&biw=1461&bih=706&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=2SnSVOqKM4PU7Abyj4HICA&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.3[^] 2011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_2010%E2%80%9311_in_Great_Britain_and_Ireland[^] 2010: This was famous, the entire country was whote[^] 2009: The February 2009 Great Britain and Ireland snowfall was a prolonged period of snowfall that began on 1 February 2009.[
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Of course climate is weather.
No, it isn't. Watch the videos and try to understand the difference. Climate is a long-term, global trend. Weather is a short-term, local effect. Saying "climate change isn't real because it's a bit cold today" is like saying "it's not my birthday today, so therefore I'm not getting any older". The short-term effect of it not being your birthday right now doesn't make you immortal. Similarly, the short-term effect of it being a bit cold today doesn't mean that the average temperature isn't rising.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
DO you really think a desert climate can have weather that's cold and story the whole time and remain a desert?
Antarctica is a dessert. Last time I checked, it's also quite cold.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Of course climate is weather.
No, it isn't. Watch the videos and try to understand the difference. Climate is a long-term, global trend. Weather is a short-term, local effect. Saying "climate change isn't real because it's a bit cold today" is like saying "it's not my birthday today, so therefore I'm not getting any older". The short-term effect of it not being your birthday right now doesn't make you immortal. Similarly, the short-term effect of it being a bit cold today doesn't mean that the average temperature isn't rising.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
DO you really think a desert climate can have weather that's cold and story the whole time and remain a desert?
Antarctica is a dessert. Last time I checked, it's also quite cold.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
:thumbsup:
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Richard Deeming wrote:
Climate is a ... global trend
So the entire globe has the same climate? :) And as for using Armstrong and Miller as a scientific source. I can see why you think what you do. Where did you learn the rest of it, the Guardian? :laugh: :laugh: So, you mention time, lets take a look: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/weather/11278346/First-winter-snow-of-2014-hits-England.html "First winter snow of 2014 hits England" 2013: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=snow+in+britain+2013&biw=1461&bih=706&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=rynSVIf3KYu07QbKxoGYDw&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ[^] 2012: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=snow+in+britain+2012&biw=1461&bih=706&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=2SnSVOqKM4PU7Abyj4HICA&ved=0CAUQ_AUoAA&dpr=1.3[^] 2011: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_2010%E2%80%9311_in_Great_Britain_and_Ireland[^] 2010: This was famous, the entire country was whote[^] 2009: The February 2009 Great Britain and Ireland snowfall was a prolonged period of snowfall that began on 1 February 2009.[
Munchies_Matt wrote:
So the entire globe has the same climate?
No. I didn't say that, and I've not heard anyone else claim that either.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And as for using Armstrong and Miller as a scientific source.
One of the videos was an Armstrong and Miller sketch. The other was from Neil deGrasse Tyson, a well-known and respected scientist.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Starting to see a pattern here perhaps?
<sarcasm>Wow, a whole seven years of local weather! That certainly refutes predictions of changes to the global climate over the course of several decades.</sarcasm>Try looking at this another way: You walk into an extremely cold room. You turn on a heater at one end of the room. Five seconds later, you check the temperature at the other end of the room, only to find that it's still very cold. Does that mean the heater isn't working? Does it mean that, if you leave the heater running for the next four hours, the average temperature of the whole room won't increase?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So the entire globe has the same climate?
No. I didn't say that, and I've not heard anyone else claim that either.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And as for using Armstrong and Miller as a scientific source.
One of the videos was an Armstrong and Miller sketch. The other was from Neil deGrasse Tyson, a well-known and respected scientist.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Starting to see a pattern here perhaps?
<sarcasm>Wow, a whole seven years of local weather! That certainly refutes predictions of changes to the global climate over the course of several decades.</sarcasm>Try looking at this another way: You walk into an extremely cold room. You turn on a heater at one end of the room. Five seconds later, you check the temperature at the other end of the room, only to find that it's still very cold. Does that mean the heater isn't working? Does it mean that, if you leave the heater running for the next four hours, the average temperature of the whole room won't increase?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
How does substantial snow fall every since pretty much Viner made that comment not make him look an arse? :) I am not even gong to debate the actual science of climate change with you, you probably don't understand it and get all your thinking from scepticalscience.com or some such. I am just pointing out this one, single comment by a so called global expert on climate change that has been repeatedly and consistently proved to be wrong.
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How does substantial snow fall every since pretty much Viner made that comment not make him look an arse? :) I am not even gong to debate the actual science of climate change with you, you probably don't understand it and get all your thinking from scepticalscience.com or some such. I am just pointing out this one, single comment by a so called global expert on climate change that has been repeatedly and consistently proved to be wrong.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
substantial sow fall
Lots of female pigs falling from the sky? Fetch me a dozens loaves of bread and the biggest bacon pan you have! ;P
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I am not even gong to debate the actual science of climate change with you
<sarcasm>I'm so disappointed - someone who thinks "weather" and "climate" are the same thing won't debate science with me!</sarcasm>Munchies_Matt wrote:
you probably don't understand it
There's that glass house again.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Richard Deeming wrote:
Antarctica is a dessert.
I think you're mistaking it with Baked Alaska. ;)
Juneau, I think you might be right. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
substantial sow fall
Lots of female pigs falling from the sky? Fetch me a dozens loaves of bread and the biggest bacon pan you have! ;P
Munchies_Matt wrote:
I am not even gong to debate the actual science of climate change with you
<sarcasm>I'm so disappointed - someone who thinks "weather" and "climate" are the same thing won't debate science with me!</sarcasm>Munchies_Matt wrote:
you probably don't understand it
There's that glass house again.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Classic response! Thanks for confirming your inability for logical debate. It is well known that in the absence of data the GW alarmist resorts to adhominem attacks. You are nothing special.
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
Munchies_Matt wrote:
A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong.
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen? Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen? The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong.
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen? Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen? The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
You do realize that the earth has been much warmer than this in the past and we all survived right? Either way, we'll go right on surviving, thank you very much!
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You do realize that the earth has been much warmer than this in the past and we all survived right? Either way, we'll go right on surviving, thank you very much!
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinTheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
You do realize that the earth has been much warmer than this in the past and we all survived right?
Sure. We can even use the knowledge from the past on what to do with mass-migrations of species, invasions of foreign predators, having a flexible way of feeding the planet, and how to protect coastal cities. It is all there, preserved in Atlantis!
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Either way, we'll go right on surviving, thank you very much!
The coming ten years, yes. ..and then there's the challenges outside of climate change - no, our long-term outlook is one of an endangered species.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
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In his book ‘The Valley of Kashmir’ (1895), Sir Walter Lawrence, a British Govt revenue official writes: “The old men of the valley declare that the climate is changing, and they are very positive that there are now no such winters as they remembered as boys. In Maharaja Gulab Singh’s time [1846-57] the snow was up to a man’s shoulders, in Maharaja Ranbir Singh’s [1857-85] time up to his knees, but now [Maharaja Partab Singh’ rule] winter passes without any fall of snow. Nearly every man who talks on the subject holds to this belief, and they all say that much less water comes into the valley than of yore. They point to the villages which once grew rice, and to old canals which are now dry, and they maintain that the mountain springs are decreasing and that the climate of Kashmir is becoming milder and more like that of the Panjab.”
And no CO2 involved, Climate, eh? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong.
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen? Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen? The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen?
Depends on what remedies you seek.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen?
We continue to drag the poorest out of poverty. With improved lifestyles, the birthrates will continue to decrease. We have plenty of time in which to move energy production from fossil fuels to something practical - Thorium Reactors, possibly. (Wind and Solar have a place, but it ain't as a mainstay.) Can't expand any further, past my bedtime, except to say:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
is just not scary enough. More death and destruction required.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
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